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180-10111-10051 2025 RELEASE UNDER THE PRESIDENT JOHN F_ KENNEDY ASSASSINATION RECORDS ACT OF 1992
JFK Assassination System Date: ` T0T27/201
Identification Form
Agency Information
AGENCY : HSCA
RECORD NUMBER 180-10111-10051
RECORD SERIES NUMBERED FILES
AGENCY FILE NUMBER 012509
Document Information
ORIGINATOR : HSCA
FROM: CIA
TO
TITLE :
DATE : 09/24/1978
PAGES : 8
SUBJECTS
CIA, METHODOLOGY
OSWALD; LEE HARVEY RUSSIAN PERIOD, RETURN TO U.S.
KGB
GOLITSIN, ANATOLI
DOCUMENT TYPE SUMMARY
CLASSIFICATION Unclassified
RESTRICTIONS IA
CURRENT STATUS Redact
DATE OF LAST REVEW : 01/01/2003
OPENING CRITERIA
COMMENTS Photocopy ofnote attached Box #.222.
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INVESTIGATION INTERVIEW SCHEDULE
Identifying Information
Name Donald Deneslya Date September 24 1978
Address 12508 Knowledge Lane Place North Arlington
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Virginia
cityistate_
Bowie Maryland 20715 Telephone_(301)464-2361
Date of Birth
M or S M
Social Security_ Spouse_
Children
2 Physical Description:
Height Color Eyes_ Hair
Meight_ Special Characteristics_
Ethnic Group
3 Personal History:
a Present Employment: Self-employed real estate agent
Address Above
Telephone Above
b. Criminal Record
1. Arrests
2 Convictions
4 Additional Personal Information
a Relative (s) : Name
Address
b. Area frequented:_
C Remarks :
Investigator James P Kelly
Pate Form #4-B
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SELECT COMMITTEE ON ASSASSINATIONS
Name Donald Deneslya Date 9-24-28 Time Li0Q pm :
Address 12508 Knowledge_ Lane Place North Arlinqton Va
Bowie Maryland 20715
Interview: Subject was directed to the writer by former Chief;
of Counterintelligence of the CIA He is currently working
as a real estate agent in Maryland but is' planning shortly
to leave for Oslo, Norway' where he will become involved in
the importation and sale of American automobiles _
He- was employed by the 'Central Intelligence Agency
from 1961 to 1964 Dur this period he became involved
as Administrative Assistant for a Russian defector 'Golitsin
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also known as "Stone 0 In this capacity he was to spend
approximately five hours each assis- Stone in the pre_
paration of a book His "cover 01 was; that he (Donald) was
a student at Georgetown University { although Stone knew 'that
he was CIA He described this work under the crypotonym
0 AELADLE project_ 0 AE" being the prefix relating to Soviet
Russia
When Stone or Golitsin ~as Donald referred to him,
had been processed by the CIA and his bona fides accepted:
was domiciled in a house in the McLean area of Virginia _ He
Interviewer Signature
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Typed Signature James P Kelly
Date transcribed 9-28-78
br Form #4-A
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says that Goditsin was given a settlement of approximately
8200,000 .00 and provided with Donald as an A.A and guards _
Golitsin was first given the name "John Stone 31 His wife
0 00 { was called Irene and his daughter "Kitty. The CIA
had told him that he could write a book .
It was Donald S feeling that Golitsin was a very
intelligent defector. His knowledge of leaks from Western
Intelligence sources was phenomenal _ He turned up traitors
in many Western countries , including but not limited to:
Wennerstrom in Sweden two West German. Generals and Willy
Brandt' s secretary; a high-level Prench leak in NATO (Cf.,
DeVosjoli information) and gave the CIA information which
led to the unmasking of "Kim" Phi then the number two
man in British Intelligence, as a Soviet agent . Donald said
that Golitsin had been stationed in Vienna in 1954 and then
brought back to the Soviet and placed in the section 0f So=
viet (KGB) Intelligence which dealt with America and the
Western countries In this capacity he was able to read
the material which these traitors had been sending to the
Soviet side He had an incredible memory; and had been plan-
ning to "come over" to our side for some time So he prepped
hinself on things which would be to our interest to know
He defected in 1961 in Helsinki Howard Osborne went over
to Helsinki to bring him back to the United States One of
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the functions of Golitsin in Moscow had been the reading
of high-level American Intelligence Reports which convinced
#0 him that there was a "mole in the CIA, but he could not
identify this person by name While he was working for
Golitsin, Golitsin dictated a long letter describing the
deficiencies in Western Intelligence agencies: which he was
going to give to Robert Kennedy . It was Golitsin's feeling
that the Soviets were winning the Intelligence War
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Golitsin s principal handler was a Colonel Leonard
Weigner , a
foreign-born agent whose parents had come out of
Russia through Mancuria_ Weigner had been in Air Force
Intelligence_ He became involved in the Pirigov case in
1948-49 _ This involved a Russian MIG pilot who defected and
brought his plane intact to the West. Weigner seemed to
get along very well with Golitsin Others who knew him at
the time were Howard Osborne now retired; Ed Knowles ; Dave
Murphy (after 1963) ; John McMahon , a side-kick to Weigner
out of SR-CI and Tennent Bagley , aka "Pete W Bagley , who was
head of Counter Intelligence in the Soviet Russia Division
He also mentioned Ted Poling, a Deputy to Bagley in SR_
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In November 1962 Donald received a S trange request
from Golitsin= Rudolf Nureyev was appear in Chicago , Il-
linois and there was an ad in the paper that tickets were
available at a certain bookstore He wanted Deneslya to
contact the store and find out where Nureyev was staying
Deneslya had heard that the KGB was planning to kidnap or
kill Nureyev
Deneslya told the writer that a Charles Bohr , a
CIA doctor was the case officer on Golitsin: Bohr was a
psychiatrist. Deneslya said that he never heard anyone
# even remotely suggest that Golitsin was paranoid" until
he heard about the testimony of ex-CIA officer John Hart
before HSCA It was his feeling that in 1963 the Agency
had great respect for Golitsin because 'of the information
which he was: providing_ There were times when they would
exasperated with him because 'he would sometimes go over
the heads of the people he was dealing with 'if he didn t
think they were reac to his information: Golitsin was
apprehensive about Soviet world intentions and made no bones
about it_ He knew: how widely the Soviets had penetrated
other intelligence agencies_ He told uS about Felfe (ph . )
and Klemens who had penetrated the Gehlen Organization of
West German Intelligence which was the same as penetrating
the CIA because the Gehlen group was an extension of CIA
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From February to July 1963 , Golitsin went to England to
advise the British on the extent of Philby 0 s" damage Deneslya
says that when he returned to this country the attitude of
some people in the SR Division had changed towards Golitsin.
He detected a hostility towards Golitsin which had not been
there before
When Donald first came into the CIA he worked in the
Foreign Documents Division Among the various types of re-
ports which came across his desk were "contact" reports
which filtered in from the many contact divisions which
the Agency had around the world- One in particular caught
his eye, circa July-August 1963 _ It concerned an American
re-defector, a Marine , who would be returning to the United
States "with his family. 1 This ex-Marine had worked in
Minsk in a radio factory. The report, which Deneslya says
came out of New York City, did not mention this defector
by name This , in itself, was not unusual because the: Con-
tact Division liked to conceal sources He said the report
II identified this person as a former Marine "cpl or "cpt." ,
which Deneslya felt could mean corporal or captain. He
was certain they were talking about Lee Oswald _
Deneslya said we could find this report probably in
the Industrial Registry for the radio factory in Minsk_ He
said there was only one radio factory in Minsk_ This Registry
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is maintained the CIA at Langley , Virginia headquarters
01 and he thinks it was on the second floor in corridor "H
The fact that the contact report was out of New York was
not significant because the report could have originated
in Moscow and was rerouted and rewritten in New York, again
to conceal the point of origin
He also told me that it was his experience that some-
times the Agency , when they want to surface material in the
"overt" side of the CIA, will say that it came from that side
when in fact it did not.
Deneslya said that it was also his information that the
01 Russians sent over "dispatched agents from time to time_
He recalls that at one time there was discussion of an agent
who was caught because the Russians stamped his passport
twice at different pages with the same stamp but with a dif-
ferent date and this game him away. He did not recall the
agent S name
Deneslya said that the Committee should determine who
made out the #201 on Oswald--who opened it and what division
were in He said that about a year after he gave testi-
mony before the Senate Intelligence Committee (1975) he saw
a report in the newspapers that someone in the CIA had recom-
mended that Lee Harvey Oswald be contacted_
Donald gave the writer a written authorization to in-
spect his Senate Intelligence Committee testimony .
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