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JFK Assassination System Date: 10/14/20
Identification Form
Agency Information
AGENCY : HSCA
RECORD NUMBER : 180-10096-10399
RECORD SERIES NUMBERED FILES_
AGENCY FILE NUMER 009532
Document Information
ORIGINATOR HSCA
FROM: TAYLOR, GARY.
TO
TITLE :
DATE : 06/11/1978
PAGES : 9
SUBJECTS
DE BAHRENSCHILDT, GEORGE.
TAYLOR, GARY.
OSWALD, MORING; ASSOCIATES AND RELA TIVES.
OSWALD, LEE; POST-RUSSIAN PERIOD; ASSOCIATES &
RELATIVES.
DOCUMENT TYPE SUMMARY.
CLASSIFICATION Unclassified
RESTRICTIONS Open in Full
CURRENT STATUS Redact
DATE OF LAST REVIEW 06/21/1993
OPENING CRITERIA
COMMENTS Box 175. Outside contact report.
{eleased under the John . Rennedy Assassination Records CollectionAct of T9Z
[44uSC 217 Note)Casettl/ 88326 Date; 2026
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KENNEDY
009532
INVESTIGATION INTERVIEW SCHEDULE
1 Identifying Information
Name
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Name
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Telephone
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Type of Contact: Telephone
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SELECT COMMITTEE ON ASSASSINATIONS
Name Gary_ Edward Taylor Date June 11 1978 Time 3:00 p:m
Address 3716 Cole Avenue , #102 _ Place Holiday Inn Regal Row
Dallas Texas
Dallas , Texas 75204
Interview: The purpose 0f the interview of Mr Taylor was to
review his Statement and to interview the Witness _ This inter-
view took place on Sunday , June 11, 1978 , at 3 : 00 p. m at the
Holiday Inn, 1575 Regal Row Dallas , Texas Mr Gary Edward
Taylor date 0f birth 12-24-39 , who is the employed as a taxi
cab driver for the Yellow Cab Company in Dallas Texas Tele-
phone number at work is 426-2626 . Mr _ Taylor stated that he
met Lee Harvey Oswald and Marina Oswald in early September of
1962 in Fort Worth Texas In describing LHO , Mr Taylor stated"
that he was not a very nice person to know He was never light:
hearted nor did he ever make jokes _ He was not a very sociable
person _ Mr Taylor stated that during the time that he knew
LHO , he had talked with him on a very general basis about
his stay in Russia Taylor stated that Oswald had never dis-
cussed his ever being debriefed by the KGB while he was in the
Soviet Union Mr Taylor said that he had never heard LHO men-
tion that he had attempted to commit suicide while in Russia
nor had he ever noticed any scars as a result of that attempt
Mr Taylor stated that LHO would talk about Russia and his stay
Interviewer Signature
Typed Signature Clarence J _ Day
Date transcribed 6-23-78
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in the Soviet Union only in a general way and would never be
specific. He talked about the society as a whole but never
about his position in it. Mr _ Taylor had the impression that
Oswald did not like living in the Soviet Union He stated that
LHO did mention that he had worked in a radio factory while
in Minsk and stated that he made metal chassis _ He described
his job as being that of a sheet metal worker However Taylor
stated that Oswald did not go into any details concerning his
work _ Mr Taylor described Oswald at this point in the inter-
view as being a very superficial person _ He described him
Mi as "like a kid coming to school without doing his homework _
Mr _ Taylor further recalls that he (Mr Taylor) thought it odd
that LHO did not know how to drive a car Taylor stated that
he had been asked by George De Mohrenschildt and a friend of
the De Mohrenschildts by the name of George Bouhe to teach LHO
how to drive Taylor stated however that he has no knowledge
of Oswald ever learning to drive a car.
Mr Taylor stated that LHO talked only in general terms
about where he lived in Russia He did mention living in Minsk
but gave little insight into his living conditions Taylor
stated that he got a feeling that_ Oswald lived under average
conditions _ He stated that Oswald had mentioned that he made
the minimal wages which were about forty-five rubles a month
He went on to state that he had spoken of having only one pair
of shoes and one coat_ Taylor recalled that LHO had never dis-
cussed with him what his social life was like while he was in
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Russia and he added that LHO was person of few social
graces I 'and that he appeared to be a person who had no time
for people in general He described him as being untypical
and as being a person who was self-motivated_ to personal ef-
forts or personal goals _
Mr Taylor reflected that he could not understand the
interest that George De Mohrenschildt showed towards LHO dur-
this period_ He described De Mohrenschildt' s actions as
giving Oswald money , helping him by giving him clothing and
then by virtually forcing Oswald on his friends , that is , the
friends of De Mohrenschildt. He also stated that De Mohren-
schildt spent a great deal of time with LHO Mr Taylor said
that was difficult to understand because George De Mohrenschildt
had children and a family of his own and he had never done any
0f the things that he had done for LHO for his own family. He
stated further that this interest was out 0f character for
George De Mohrenschildt, considering that IHO was a_ "nobody _
Mr Taylor stated that LHO had never
mentioned having
any contact with the KGB He stated that Oswald could not
understand the Russian Government was not interested in
him and he believed that this hurt LHO _ Jaylor stated that
sometime about six months before the assassination
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visited Marina at their apartment on Neeley Street in Oakcliff
but Lee was not home at the time Whi le he was at the apart-
ment , Marina had shown him a rifle belonging to LHO which she
got from behind the door. Taylor could not describe the weapon
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except to say that it was a rifle_ He stated that he believed
Marina was afraid of LHO and during this visit she sensed that
she anxious for him to leave _ He recalled that he had seen
signs of Marina being battered by LHO _ He had observed on occas-
sions bruises and abrasions which he believed were caused by
LHO _ Taylor stated that IHO never discussed the Soviet
Government allowed him to remain in Russia or they let
hin return to this country_
This witness had no knowledge of any friends or associ-
ates of LHO other than those persons mentioned in the Warren
Commission Report. He stated that he never discussed the U-2
program with LHO _ Taylor advised that he had novknowledge
that LHO was an extensive reader He recalled that he did
subscribe to and receive one
Russian periodical_ He did not
remember the name He later stated that he recalled that Os -
wald did mention that he had read Lenin , Karl Marx , and Adolph
Hitler
Mr Taylor stated that he knew of only one interest
that LHO had ana that interest was writing. He said that
LHO spent most of his spare time writing_ He further recalls
that Oswald had given him a
manuscript which he
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LHO , had writ-
ten _ Taylor said that he read a'.very small part of the writ-
ings and concluded that it was very poorly done and sO he
never
finished reading it_
Taylor continued to recall and stated while giving his
Warren' 'Commission testimony , he was shown a manuscript by Mr
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Jack Genner , Counsel for the Warren Commission and that
he did not reconize it as the one given him bY LHO_ He
further stated that about a year ago he was interviewed by
Edward Epstein, the author, and at that time he was shown a
manuscript by Mr Epstein which he (Taylor) recongized as the
one given him LHO _ Mr Taylor said he could think of noth-
ing LHO did or said that led him to be lieve that Oswala had a
motive for killing President Kennedy. He stated that LHO to
him was just an insignificant person
Mr Taylor , when questioned about his employment in
1959 or 1960 , stated that he had worked at a number of jobs dur-
ing that time He was a student in college and he recalled that
one place he worked was the stockroom in J _ C . Penny s Store in
Dallas Texas He could not name his supervisor Mr Taylor
stated that he had worked for R.C.A_ Service Company at Redstone
Arsonal, in Alabama as a sound engineer and that he had trouble
getting asecurity check clearance; however he had later gotten
the clearance When asked if he knew Donald Waltrum, Jack Moore,
and R. K_ Johnson , or Sigmund Andrews Mr Taylor said that he
knew them all except Donald Waltrum _
Taylor said that he had lived two doors down from Jack
Moore when he lived at 3245 North Crest, in Dallas Texas
Moore at that time was living at 4241 North Crest: He admitted
knowing Moore since 1951_ He stated that Moore' s children and
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his children are friends He advised that Moore is now re-
tired from a family business _ The family business was selling
surgical supplies _ The business carries the ` family name and
is still in Dallas , Texas Taylor stated that his son and
Moore S grand-daughter are now dating each other
R. K_ Johnson was a close personal friend of Taylor
He was a free-lance photographer who had taught him photo-
graphy . He had worked for Johnson as a free-lance photography
assistant at 3507 Travis Street in Dallas Texas He stated
that he met Johnson in 1957 when he became interested in motion
pictures _ Johnson was in that profession at the time: He
stated that Ralph Johnson died Easter Sunday , 1967 _
Mr _ Taylor said that he met Sigmund Andrews in 1957
when he was involved in motion pictures and he stated that in
1960 Andrews came to Dallas and they worked together doing
industrial and motion picture advertising: for Keitz Herdon
Company in Dallas _ His former wife, that is Andrew S former
wife' s name is Norma and she is now married to William Holiman
who is the assistant agent in charge of the Dallas Field Office
for the F.B.I. He stated that he has not seen or had contact
with Andrews in quite some time
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for over a year, but that
he has seen Norma Holiman recently. Mr Taylor stated that he
had worked for Sellers Company or Sellers T.V_ Studio .at .2102
Johnson Street in Dallas Texas _ in 1963 and 1966 . He stated
that he worked as a
sound engineer and that there were only
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three people in the companv , a man by the name of Ken Brown
and J_ E_ Sellers and himself_ The company was involved in
making television/motion picture advertising _
Taylor stated that he knew of no employee of the Sellers
Company who: was acquainted with , associated with , or even
knew LHO _ Near the end of this interview Mr Taylor asked me
if the Committee had George De Mohrenschildt' s papers from his
estate . I made no comment and Mr Taylor stated that, asked
me, in other words , if I knew that there was a confession among
George De Mohrenschildt' s papers _ I still made no comment _
Mr Taylor then stated that he had been told by Alexandra
De Mohrenschildt, his former wife, that there was a confession
among George De Mohrenschildt S papers and he indicated that
that fact was the reason John Jane and Alexandra De Mohren-
schildt were fighting SO hard in the courts to obtain possession
of George De Mohrenschildt' s estate, papers and all_ Mr _ Tay-
lor was very cooperative during this interview He suggested
very strongly that some member of this Committee contact and
interview his former wife, Alexander De Mohrenschildt _ He
stated that if there was any way that he could help in the in-
vestigation , the Committee is free to contact him at any time
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