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157-10014-10081 2025 RELEASE UNDER THE PRESIDENT JOHN F KENNEDY ASSASSINATION RECORDS ACT OF 1992
Date 08/04/95
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JFK ASSASSINATION SYSTEM
IDENTIFICATION FORM
AGENCY INFORMATION
AGENCY SSCIA
RECORD NUMBER
157-10014-10081
RECORDS SERIES HEARINGS
AGENCY FILE NUMBER 10-H-13
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DOCUMENT INFORMATION
ORIGINATOR SSCIA
FROM GOODWIN RICHARD
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DATE 07/10/75
PAGES 61
SUBJECTS ASSASSINATION TRUJILLO
DOMINICAN REPUBLIC
CIA
EISENHOWER , DWIGHT
DOCUMENT TYPE TRANSCRIPT
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CURRENT STATUS RELEASED WITH DELETIONS
DATE OF LAST REVIEW 05/12/98
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IFAGCT
1 BXECUTIVB 8MSBION
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3 Thuredey , July 10, 1975
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5 Unted Statag Senet0 ,
6 Select Comalttee to Study Govarnman€a }
7 Operatfons Wieh Reepect t0
Governmentel Actlvfttes,
Naeh Irgton , 0 C_
10 The Commfttee met , Purauant to notice, at 5:02 0'clock
11 peI . In Room S-120 , The Cepltol, the Mlonorabl # Frank Church
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(Charman 09 the Commietee) presIding.
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Preben€ : tore Church (preblding) Mart o[ MIchIgan ,
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mndale , Huddleston , Hart ot Colorado, Tower, Baker and c
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Bchwelker, {
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Albo Prebent} #IIllee MfIler , Stalf DIrector } Fraderick
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A. 0. Schwarz, Jr, $ Chlet Couneel / Curtib R. Smther8 , MInority
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CounBel , Cherles Kirbow, Charles Lombard , MIchael J . Madigan ,
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DavId Aaron , Joa Donnin, Elfzabeeh Culbrath and Patrick Shea
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4d,zD 2 The Chefrnan . #e 0I21 core beck Into order .
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Mr . Goodwin, wouid You Plbaba teke the
oaeh?
Do You Bvobr chee 011 the teetimony You ar0 a bout to mlvd
Jn thfe proceading 0ill be ehe erueh, the whole eruth, end
nothtng but the truth , 80 You Cod?
Ar . Goodwina I do .
The Chafrman . 1 # 9iven to understand che € thare hae
baen Bome problem In connectton #lth Your #Ppearanca here today
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J0 end that ther# ar0 BOme noeee eha & You have that You f00] You K
1] naed {or Pufpobea of Your tebtimony whfch
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14 hve bean In btorage for BeVeral Yeers end I Just had no acc035 C
15 to them . I have Co go g0€ cham out o2 the atorege . wera
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16 notbb cet Ga my {Ile8 and everythIrg have In btorega for
17 bevere] Yeere . I'Ve hed no acc08a Co Ehem . Asd]they cona [Jt
18 o2 tha {Il88 that I brought {rom tha Whlte Mouao wIth
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19 The Cha[rman . Have You baon Intervlowed by memberg 0f the 8
20 bee€ 2 #nd Bhown cartaIn documont8 cha € the staf f be] f0ves win[ 1
2 be Pertinent to Your tebt1mony?
2* Goodwin. 1 have bean shown documonts
connacted wlth
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22 the Dominican Republc and tha 088a89ination ot Trujiflo toclay _
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24 Tha Chafrmen . And do you belleve that You ar0 prapared
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today to gIve u9 tostImony relatIng
to Mr . Trujfflo or do You
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1 balfeve tha€ 'You naed to Or Oughe t0 revlev €hobe notee before
8 You GIve @mY , €abeIMomy?
3 Hr . Goodwfn. Well, I'm 08 Courbe {uily Prepared €0 testi
to che beee o2 @Y recollecelon Co any matter , and I ehink
Probably: In the Oeb# 02 the Doainlcan Republia, the document9
have beer @dequa€8. I think thare' @ 4 good chance that going
through @0 {ilee may wary Vell edd bomathinq €0 MY reco]loctlo i
8 02 Cube end Cestro,
The Chelrwan. #ell 1 WIll heve thle buqgeeeIon €0 Ma
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10 We #I1l Ebke Youe €abeimony 0n the Trujillo Mateer today , and
11 ehen 0m how Jong 0i2! 16 take You C0 Ge€ Your {2108 end ravfek
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12 enem end Come back fWlly prapered to give 00 Your tebt[mony O1:
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14 Mr . Goodwina el2, l0 01l taka 0 Or €wo , It 18
15 Pobafble I #III Rot be eble to get @CCe8# to them untf] Monday
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wralng. It'0 KInd o2 Ike tryIng t0 get Eo Pocatello
17 end flnd ther In 0 #arbhouse$ beceube I' @ uP Jn Rumford , Helre .
18 Du€ 1 QM bur @ ehe € Je woula no€ ceka More ehen # Or two.
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19 Tro ChaIrmen. Sa eha € 10 the Committed ware to 9Iv8 Ycu
20 that opportunity, #ould You ther get thosa {1108, revfBw Fhen
21 and respond to the request by tha Committee that You eppear F:
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{lrse o2 next week to tastify?
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23 Mr . Gooduln. If tha€ 18 Your wieh, certafnly.
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24 The Chairman . He #re mos€ #nxloub to Completa the record 8
25 and Your tbbEimony 10 necebbary , #nd 16 would certaInly
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aacomodatarOuF Ceade Yet-~auid Gooperat8
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8 Goodein; 1 Kould Be g18d t0.
3 The Cha[sted: All right.
4 #Ith ehae underetandIng &her,
Mr 8chwers, er# You
Pr epered to Proceed #leh the questfoning On Truj[11o?
Hr. 8chwerse I'm Borry #r _ Goodvln thet we dIdn' &
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chence t0 gee togeeher & { Choughe w0 were goLng €o nave 4
chedce €0 do thae Or Tuesday, end 1 noe hed 0 chance to
@Peek C0 You bue I do krow #Ome 08 tha @aterlel, and parheps ;
10 #e Gen #or} O5 the materfel .
11 Refore #0 d0 0 , could You #€ate Your {ull mame Yci: ~
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TE8TIHONT 0# RICiARD Ma GOOLMIN
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8 Hr , Cooduina Richard Ma Gooduin, 1996 Jznd befbde, Naw.,
3 Mash [ngtor, DaC.
4 Hc . Sehweraa And 00 6 M~Car 6f cour8e, w9 tell 211 o8
Qur wito088eb whs€ chey Do doube Krow , that have thelr
righe to counsel, end You Koow thet , 1{ You Wer€ to beop
7 to ObeeIt_Coua8el , Rnom Chet You cen d0 Eret7
6 Mr & Gooduin. 1 elready have too many Jewyere.
Mr . 8chwert. And know #hee Youe OonbCICueiora2
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10 righee era?
11 Ar . Goodwin. Mopefully. ~
12 Ar. Schwarz . Now $ Mha € Connection dld You have #leh ehe
0 C 1 13 DomInlcen Republia 10 the winter end @prIng o8 19617
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14 GoodbIn. I Ceme Into the whiee Hoube 60 Aeb[eeane {
15 BpecLal Counbel C0 the Preeldent, heving worked On Lela
16 AderIcen erllre PolIcy @eetemante In the Prec0ed[ng campa
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17 I became Involved Jn beln Amerlce. And {rom Cha € Per Jod unt 1
18 I Ja2€ to go to the Stte Doper tmune, I w48 Involved 00 8
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dafly baele #Ith President Konnedy end hle aceieieleb Jn Latir
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20 AnerJce whlch Included whe t #48 haPpen In ehe DomInicen
21 Republlc In terms ehe € I draEted contingency Planb , I Prepared
22 ceblob tha€ want Co Hr . Deerborn {ocubsing On eha #r08 $ that
23 You Gre Intaraeted end I Vee #leh him 0vory Om bOmethi;i
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24 connected Wieh Leein AmerJce .
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25 Mr , Schwerz. Michoue Your turning to the documantary
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FORUTU
1 ma€erie2 , 6ould recorn€ {Or ene Commleeee Your underetand ! n'
2 08 what tha Ualeed 8teebb Govertmene policy toward the Dom f n; ! c
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3 Republic 088 In the #Inter and]sprIng o2 '61 and #het ecelors
Yere takon to Implement the € polleya
6 Mr_ GoodwIn. Rell, that policy Wae 8 coneInuaeion 0€ cha
Pollcy abeabl {Bhed by PreeIdent Elbenhower whan he, Jn
sccordaace with the vote f the OAS , voted t0 #@ver #4 decided
8 to #Bvet dlplomatic 'and commarcla[ relatlone #Ith the Dominicar:
Republlc &ra ebe eItdetlon Gnich You know @robe Vae Precipita tec}
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10 by the @ttempted ae8a88Lnation 6f President deeencourt by the
1] Preeident of the Dominican Repub[ Ic.
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12 S0 that {rom thae pine Or #hen 40 came In, tho f#Mn?
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1 13 #es , {Iret of 01l, o8 Courb0 thet TrujfIlo 480 @V#8 More
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14 0€ odde #Ith the Phfloaophy 0f the Alllance {or Proqre8? tha; C
15 hed been end bexond che €; having cue o82 dlplomatlc end othat
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releeions , thee Trujillo'0 €Ime: &h 'ofeice Y88 Probably.
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nilebered . The PrInclpal bupport 02 the Feglme In thet decad6
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#hlch #a# oeten In greet domestic dlfticuley hed been che
concept of Ner Icen bupporte 1t strengthened Trujillo #geins? 1
hie oppoaitiona
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At that Point Qur pollcy became 0re of tryIng Co anelcl
a€ Jea8t, the {411 of TruJillo. o€ Cour}0 the Casero ching
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wa $ very much In everybody' 8 mind the prIncfpal concern a : 2y
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tha Presidant, the one thng ho didn' € want #4# {or Trujfllo
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Eo go end 0 Communls& leader to come So 1 thlnk the Polfcy
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1 #88 t Kebp UP Gur]Bcoroale and dlplonatio Prebbure to hopa
2 that when Trujiilo went, howbver he wane , whether violently or
Peecefully or dled 0 neeural death thet the #UccebbJon wouId
pe 8 moderate, demooretlc group frlendly to the Intereses 08
the United Stetee In the Ceribbean end therafore t0 Keap In
Couch Glth and help out and keep comun{catione Open with
Ehe potentle] buccbbbor g*oupb , and It Mem Very herd to
Plnpofa€.
Mr , 8chvarg. What #tepa did You take during che parfod F
10 o8 tlme You ware Involved , Or Prlor thereto , 10 Know
11 #boue In order to eeele€ One Or more Or the dleeldent
~ J2 group8?
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13 Mr . GooxvIna Well, W8 did 4)} Borte 04 #verything {rom
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14 pollcy #ebtemants , ehe U80 'of USIA , the ub0 O8 aconomic
15 Prebburo, Co meInteIn Qur network 02 Coneeceb #ieh Ox[le
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16 groupe PrincLpelly' In New York and e1eewhere. certaln number
17 o2 Ilelted Covere Oparbelonb , Boma tranefer of erms , Dearborn
10 ol Coue80 wa # 050 08 tha Principa]8 , hls princlpal Inatruction
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19 Wa0 to to Kaep 211 channal8 of communicatfon open, he W6s
20 Zeelous In thfe beceuse he dleltked Trujfllo Intensely hinse] {
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2] and fele ehae he ought to be all0d wich these other Groupb_
22 And I reed through the bore 02 ovaral) planning Pepare, 8rd I
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23 ehiok {alrly reflace that range 02 operaeionb,
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Nona o2 them were tarribly # {activa.
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25 Mr . Schwarza In connaction with the tranefer ot arma ,
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Wha €, Co underetand_rq, #a8 the Eime at which #uthorizetfon
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wa @ provided Co eranbzar erma?
3 Mr. Goodwin. Januery 12 , 1960, under Pre8_dent Elgenhower
Mr. schwarz. And that 4a0 #€ 8 maeeing ot the Specle ]
5 Group?
6 Mr Cooduin. Well, don € know beceu80' didn' € Jet
7 me In tha t #eok, but there' W49 80 MSC @ction Menorenrum 0f
8om6 Rlnd which Juse b0€ {Orth the authorfgetIon . 1 don' € ree [1}
know the procedure.
10 Hr . Schwerz. Mhan War# che #Fmb Pebbed?
11 Mr . Gooduln. 3 don' t know. I becama @ware 0f ehe erenef &
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12 of atmb . The tranafer I thfnk You re thnking 02 16 the
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13 erensfar of 0 couple of cerblnee and J9 pIstols. After tne
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14 eranbfar had boon mde,: 4 ehe m098ege 08 communIcetlon tha t 1
15 Came to 46 Irom ehe DomInicen Republlc &long #leh the reques€
16 for tha tranbE0r of Machine 9ur8 which war to be ub0d In #r
17 effort to kI1l Trujillo , the sma ]ler gunb ware to be gfven 8#
18 Daarborn told ma later In converbation after the 488888Inaelon
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19 because thes& Paople felt thefr Own Mva8 wer $ In dangar_
20 ##Pecially 18 they enbarked on anythlng 88 rfaky 88 tryicg to
%1 kIn TruJiio, ard they wanted #omg se] -defensa Woapons and
2* ehey Were gIven to them for se)€-def4n80 and then mado 4
23 raquabt that they wanted waapon8 to try an 4a8298Ination, they
24 wentad 4 machine gun.
25 A89a88Inating Trm)fMlo , o2 cour#0 , 4 Jot of People had
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tried and mobe 08 ehem, theY were @1l deed . It wa# 4 Vary 1
1 2 rlaky bua[0eb8 . Te' 0 noe ehe klnd 02 thin9 ehey would want to
1 $ #lth 8 438.
4 And I thlnk #l00 _ I mean nobody , I enink 2 4 a0 I #6y , 4#
5 had 0o Particuler 8neicipetion ehe € thfe Or any other group
6 would DB #uccbbefu) In bomathing eha € nohody had Deen able to
7 do {or thirty Yberb, bue e& any reeb, those Vete the backatopa .
Mr , Schwarz. Did You know how the eFm# Yere paebed Into
the Dominicen Republic, 88 oppobed €o paebed to ehe dfes[dent8?
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J0 Mr Good#in. No , I know wha € Dearborn Jeter told ma
5. 1) In convereetion. I have thfe €IFee8r Year o1d memory
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12 On my part thet he g#ve cham to them In the conaulate. I may
1 12 have kiokn a € One time how he qot tnam . There #0rb 0 Jot 0 8
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14 guna In the Domioican Ropublic.
15 Mr . Schwarz. Did You know Itha + arm# Rere_Padeed thoug
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Ehed plomaETC pouchz
17 Kr. Coodwfn. I did cot Krow that, put 3 wouldn t be
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surpr Leed meapond 0f tha € 0124.
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J 9 Mc . Scnwarz. Now agaln , whan Wara the arm? Paased_ a9
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40 You know? 2;
Mr . Gooduln. Well I don t know . 1 don " t have the #xact
2% the mea849# 19 In here. 1 thin* It #a# after PresIdent
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#ien the documente? 1
2 Rr . 8chwara. Let' $ merk thet 00 Goodvin Exhibfe No . 1 0
3 documant conafettng
# % deeed 13, 1961 and headed
Subject, CIA Covare Aceivieiee, Dominican Ropublic, statinn :
"Attached 10 the #Pecial bref{ng paper oE CIA covert ectivitie;
dlrected agafnat ehe DominIcan Republlc Whfch Je requested by
Mr . Richard Goodwlo 2& ehe whlee Hoube, snd #ctaching
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#mVera 2 Pege documed€ Mith that headinq end thet dete.
Mr , GoodwIn . Thle 40 the Paper that aene Mo and 7
10 eha € 0 vhere, I 9u080 , I {ound ou€ about I€.
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Hr . Schwere, Now that Indicetes, doee 1t noe, ehe € ehe 1
2 weaPons ware pabbad bometime after lete Jenusry,
You can tel]
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4 Mr Goodwin. Yeah,
Mr Schwarz. All rIght.
6 Crn te)l tha € by looking e€ the heading 2 #hich
Indicatas when the requabe for ehe Pabbege 0f the #rm0 #ab
8 @ade .
Mr , Goodwin. Y0b , 16 Beyb In Jate Jamubry . of courje 7
10 Beren' € autndrfged unelz che 12th.
= 11 Hr . Schwerz . Dut were Paased , In eny aven€, #ter
$
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12 the Kennedy Adminiseretlon took oeeice.
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14 Mr . Schwarz, You told President Johneon_ Vice
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LI #B 0I1l mark thfe Goodwin Exhiblt 2 ,
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16 0 @enorandum WhAch, Sena For8 , 10 J€ Teb Hl, the book #hich J0
17 marked book 2 of 2 and deted Juna 1, 1961.
18 (The document referred €o
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20 Exhlbie No , 2 {or L
2: Idonedeicatlon.)
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1 Mc . 8chwars. would You reed Into the record, Hr Gooduln,
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2 ehle 10 4 memorendum fOr the {Iles deted June 1, 1961 , JubJect
Report of Polnt Ra [Bed et Reeting #Ith Vice Pres[den€.
Kould You read Into the record the Becond paragraph?
Mr . Gocduin. "At one polne during the meetIng, che Vice
PreeIden€ aBked Aboue the three carbinee Yhlch the Agancy had
Eutned]_Ovar ko the dfes[dene8 , bpecieicelly esked aboue ehe
date of delfvery. Mr . GooduIn nde 0 Beeceman€ t0 the #{{ace
c that thf# #am done under the prevloua AdmInleeration, 1.0 .,
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Me . Schwerz . Mell, there #r0 BOme Jnltla } # a€ che boeton
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o8 che Page? do they help You decide whobe Mtmo Jt 10?
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Mr , Denn In . I belfeve #6 #ore told by Secreeary 0f State
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Ruek tha€ J6'8 Under Secretary ol State Jonnaon. Tha€' $ what
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tho U etends {or.
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1 Mr . Schwarz . Did You meke eha € Bcecaman€, Mr Coodwin?
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Mc . Goodwln . I don " remember mak [ng Jt. It 18 an
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Inaccurate BeeEbmon€ , and thero wab a clear record chae J€
would be Inaccurete In documants tha € I had already 86en .
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Tha Cheirmed. Wha € 19 the Inaccuracy of thfs?
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Mr _ Goodwin. The dellvery '02 eha Im# wee rot made Prfor
8 to Jaruery 2oth . The euehor[##EIom , 8enator , #a0 Pr Lor tc 1
3 January 2oth.
4 Sanator Schwelker. Nes when, egeln? Ia B wha € date?
5 Mr Cooduin. Tha enthorIzatlon #a8 tho 12eh 08 January .
6 Sane tor Schwelker . Wha t Year?
Mr , Coodeln . 1962.
Sena €Or Scnwolker , And delivery Web when?
Mr . Schvere. Someelme bubbequent ta Jenuary J0th ,
Mr . Goodwin. Nell, now Chat 1 Joo* at thie, 011 J0 Bay#
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1] #a9 Jate Jenuery .
1 The ChaIrmen, Thf0 10 June 1re, chl$ [8 datel June lat,
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You AT0 reportad €o heve 8eId , #At One molnt durin the
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meatIng ehe Vice President eaked about che threa carbineb
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#hlcb the Agency had turned over to the dieafdenee and
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specifically e8ked about Che deee o2 delfvery . Mr . Gooduln
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mde the bejeamant to the effece chet thle 488 done under
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the pravloua Adminfetration , 1.8. , prJor Co Jenuery 2oeh ,
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1 1961, Purguant to 4 decf8Jon 02 tho Specia] Group.
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3 Actualy the delivery took place @{ter January 20th 196] _
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Mr Goodwln. Well tha € 4aa my ffrat Impress{on on raadin
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tha t , but I notlce that 221 It Bay8 wa# Jate January, Senator
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60 1 uPpobt the 2oeh or eha 19eh In somebody 8 mind could o
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Jete Jenuary. I mean , 1 don' t reely renembar
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Ar Schwarz. But Mr . Goodwin, You Know , Independent 0?
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1 tha document whlch 46 merked 88 ExhIbft 1, In {eot ehe #FmB
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2 Were delfvered after Jenuary 2oth.
3 Mr , Cooduin. I may have known . 1l1 I 44 IY {Iree
knovledge #a8 thls documant_ the tImetable that I requested
whfch #[mply Informad M0 Eha € the delivery of carbinea had baan
made l Jete Jenuery . I don' € Krow any More ther that.
Mr . Schverz. A1l righe.
Hr Goodwin. Thle J0 My Bource o{ knowledge. I may hav&
learned Mor # aubaequent Co l0 10 Dearborn plnpoineed It.
10 Mr . Schwerz . In eddlelon #ith deellng #ith Dearborn , wur$
1] You daeling with enybody from the CIA on chie?
7
1
12 Kr Gocduln. well , they Vere alwaye e€ the meutirge .
13 Mr Scnwerz, Who do You remember from che CIA?
C
1
Hr . Cooduln. Tracy Barne# 0m 1 cen € be bur0 who 011 Wa $ 14
15 there. At the meting #ith the Vice President, I'm sure Bome
1
1 6 body 14ke 0i88021 , #€ east, would hav e beer thoro. Bu € T'm
17 a0r0 You Mubt have 8 1ib€.
Hr Schwarz. Iow I would 14k6 You Eo ebbeiey In angwer to 12
1
19 4 Beri08 of question8 49 to wha€ You Yar0 or waro not told,
V
0 Now , W0re You told the € cho 4ema whfch had baen dellvered
20
hed bden delvered to Persona who 94fd at t[me# that choy
2
wanted to 09* them lor Pergona ] detena# . but Yho s8/d more
2*
ofced that thay wanead to 080 tham for aBsaB8Inatlon Durpoa09?
2"
7
Mc , Goodwin. I WaB givan to understand and told
26 8
spacI{icelly and 'It'& rafleceed In the documene8 , thee chay
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In order to cetty Ou€ 83
8888B8{netlon , they thoughe
Yented
erenb{ar oE edddefonel woeponb , oe bubmachine gune
2 they needed
IndIcetion thet
anyone thought thet 0
I don't remember any
38 W8b edaqubee Co mount 0n ef{ort o8 that kInd
carbina Or 0
Rut they , 0f Courb0, #ere Intereaeed In
againat Trujfllo.
Involved 00 they Yere In 0 very Mffe
e88888lneting Truflllo,
and death atruggle, thelr famflle8 wera belng #leughtered
Tha record demonatrates cha€ the Aqency K6#
Nic Schver%.
Pricr to
the Mamorandum the € went €o You
Inlormed In Aprfl ,
7
which #e merked 60 Exhible 1, tha &
the dleeidents Intended to
10
88#a88[netion e€fore &na Eo do 00 #fthin che
11 undereaka the
#veneua 11Y actue] ly d1d , by blockading the c
12 meenb che t they
Trujillo 48 he Y4 B "fafelng hfe m[streag ,
ana bhooting Mr . 1 12
receved C Ineended Co 80 Jt whether Or not they
14 And that they
but they 1ke tha mchIne guna, Juee
the machioe gunb
1 $
1
16
to help.
Informed by the Agancy Or by anyone 0l90
Now , wer0 You
17
di88ldenta Intended to accomp}sh the
aag888inatlon
that the 1b
arms whother OE not chey got the machines?
1L1
19 uleh che 8me11
3 Goodwlna 1 wa8 Ingormed tha € both thfa oehar
Mr . 26'
and waneed to 899889[nate Trujillo, We 1
groups Intanded
about to occur almost every two or
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reportb 6{ 488488[nation8
Nhiee Ilougo . There 10 8 long g8P patvoon
three week9 Jn ehe
2
end being able Eo do It, and 4 4 but 1 wantIng Eo kfl Truflllo
24 8
Into May, thero Waa che very
at &11 time?, contInua Ily , up
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Ineleeent requebt [Or #ddieiora 2 #rmgthet would Make the
2 Plot fea8ible and #6 the bpecific requebe of Pree_dent Kennedy ,
1
thoee Ar718 vere denfad and
#l
Mr Scnware. I'm going to Come to that. r were €0 know
#het You were Intormed about the Inteat Ione of the dlge[dene8.
You didn't #bwet mY Tuabelon. You eeJd You wer # frequenely
Informed aboue #bbe8 Ination Plots 421 Over the worid , bu €
speclfically Mieh rbbpect Eo tha Dominicen Republ Ic , #ere You
Or Wera You Roe Informed eht the aqercy hed beer told by Eha
10 dfeeidant? that chey Intanded to #Ccomp] leh the aasa80Ineelon
1] of FIdel Ceatro 0 M #XCubd MO , of Trujillo
E m Bhether or not
1
12 ehoy r#cefved ehe machine qun8?
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12 Kr Coodwin. I wa $ told tha t a terwerd# by Dearborn.
14 we8n' € cold that particularly at the time , although ehae
15
wouldn' & burprise me 1 # Id ehet. By the Agency , You
1
16 ma#n Dearborn, Or
Hr Schwarz. 1 Mean the Contra l Ineelllqence Agency.
17
Mr . Coodwin, They communcated dfrectly with the Agency
18
1
19 In thfa Ingtanca?
8
Mr Schwarz. Thare wero Aqency Peopla In the Republfc .
20 1
Dld You know thera were Agency people In the Republic?
1
Hr Goodwin. I knaw thay woro In and ou€ , 22
1
23 Pir . Schwerz. In end Oue?
1
Mr . Goodwin. They ran Bora gung In 0 € ona eime, 88 1
8 24
remember , end they alg0 were engaqed In the collecelon 0 f
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Intellfgence aboue dfeeldene GtQuPb .
Schwarz. Mee
It Your Impresblon thee Dearborn 49
Kr_ 2
1
In charge 02
the Dominican Republla, Or che Agency perbonnel
3
wa # Jn Charge of
the Dominleen Republic?
4
Impreaslon et the tlme Web ehe € the
Mr . Gooduin . My
6
to Deerborn were Carried Out, and 011
Inetructlone 98ven
6
Inatructlone {rom the Preeident went to Dearborn .
7
Schwarr' apart {rom Ineeructione {ram the Presldent ,
Mr .
Jmprebelon ehe € the Aqency #8b In charge ol the
We a 4€
Or thet Dearborn Wab I0 charqe o2 che
Dominican Republlc
10
DomInlcan Republic.
11
w4b tha Dearborn W88 In charoo
1 Mr . GoodwIn. Jmpreselon
12
Dominican Republic, bubject Co
very clo8e suparv{glon
of che 0 13
C
Erom Mabh Ington.
14
Dearborn #eb ehe 4 The Chafrman.
15
;
Ar GoodvIm . Ie wa# the Conbul. We had Do {orme ]
16
reletlons .
17
Tha CheIrmen. Il0 0a8 cha Congul?
10
Nc CoodwIn . RIght. 11
19
1 #e an 6 chat true?
1 2
record makeb It Jook qulte Ifkely
Mr Schwarz. The paper
#& leege Erom thefr polnt o8 vlaw, thought
that the Agency ,
2*
cha € ehoy WBr0 In charge. 1
2 the Pres[dent. Na
Mr Goodwin. They ghould have
24 9
8an& 22 1 o2 Qur mabb8g0f €o Dearborn .
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Mr Schwere . Whee #eb Your underbeand Ing o8 ' the
Jocaeion O2 the mechine gun# tha e ehe dles[denee warted? L
8
Coodwin . 1 don * remember bu€ J6'0 Jn hare bomewhere
3 Mr ,
In ehe Peper .
(Paube)
Mr_ Schvere+ Well, 1e€
mo cue through the question.
6
DJd You Know thee the Machl:c guna Yere @en€ €0 che
2+
Dominicen Republlc Chzouan tio;4IplonTETa_pauer?
8
Mr , Goodwln . I Know now_
Mr . Schwerz. Did You know #bout Jt7
10
@ooduIn. No; 1 Rnow when ehe Jbbue arobe In May
Mr .
11
hed t A #6 had broughe In Machine guns , but the pracisa 7
1
12 that #0
Wbr# broughe In 1 naver about.
Mathod by which ehey
6
1 12
4
IIttle d1f{lculty folloving=
The Chalrman. I am havinq
1 4
wieh baing Eold tha€ I€ #a} the Policy 0f
We begen
15
;
tha previous Adminfatration to
encourege d[88Idant 9roupb
16
pobbIble to iBolete Or
to undernine and bring down
do whatever
17
Trujfllo regime. Then , folloulng the Inaugura€ion 02
ehe
16
PresIdent Kennady , corteIn Wubpone are Pa##ed to chese
1
19
In
tha Dominfcan Ropubllc {or the purpo8e o2
dfseldonts
1 # 02 chefr 080 In
the 888489nating Prealdent 1
2
488489fnating
Trujlllo.
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did leern chat wobpon } had been In facc 1
Now Yhan
22
1 to dfeafdent 9roupb , that obvdously had occurred aEtbr
peb8ad
8 24
whan did You :frat
PresIdent Kennady had been Inaugurated.
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19
1 Jeera?
2 Mr , Gooduin, On the IJeh 02 #hen we raquabted :rom
1
3 the Mhlte Ilouse 0 brfefIng Paper or 011 covert eceIvieies In
the
Dominicen Republic, that had been conducted Jn the
5
Dominlcan Republlc.
Mr _ Schwerz. Now thet brlefing paper #ab requabted {rom
6
Whoma ?
Mr , GooduIn. Well, I€ would have been raquebted by me {Or
the Pres Ident.
Mr . Schwarz. From the CIA?
10
Mr , GoodwIn. Fram che CIA,
11
1 Tha Chalrman: From the CIA, and tha t brLefInq paper na ?
12
been Identiffed fOr the record?
1 12
Ar _ Goodwin. Thee 18 correce.
14
The Cha Irmar . AlI right+
15
:
mhen You {ound Ou€ chet thebe YebPorb had been trans{erred
16
In Janvary
to certaln dge dent 9roupa for the purpose 0e
17
288888lneelng Trujillo, wha t ald You do?
18
Wa 9 It then understandIng cha e chle W69 President
1
19
1 Kunnedy' 8 pollcy?
28
1
Mr _ Gooduln. No.
2- 1
The Chalrmad . Then wha € did You do When you recelvadl
22
chat Informatlon?
22
1
Mr Goodwin. I2 I may go back :or a momen€ , Senator,
24 8
end chee 10 che brleting paper Involved 0
vary clear dlstinctdod
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20
between ehese #eapone whiah were to be {Or Purpobeb 0f
2 Perbona ] type eid0-erme , the Bele-defenee attendent Co any
7
3 projact the desfre tor e8baa8Ination weapone whfch would
have conefeted of machine gune .
Our rebponbe to ' €hfe brleeing Peper #4b ImmedLately to
ty to revlev Our entire Policy toward the Dominican Republic
and prepere, which #0 dld Ovbr the naxe couple of weeke ,
7
Ineeruceione Co ehe Coneul about ehe neeure 08 {dture reletion8
8
#Ith dfaefdents , Decaube the Preedent f0lt the € thinge
2
mght be gotting oue o2 hend , wieh #het 44# happenIng Jn the
10
~
1]
Dominican Republic.
1 So W0 d1d prepere that Paper . Tha Presidane had , 1
12
s {d , two great Concernb . He dldn'€ went anybody trying to
C 1 12
Truffllo Ovar unleb0 he knew #hee #eb golng to happer
14
becuba he much rather have Tru)lllo I0 there Ehan
next, 15
:
Communlat' leader . And bacondly, that the tInfted Seb*05
16
as8ociaeed wleh eny Klnd 0t vlolent overthrow And In
noe be 17
the telegram the t wa #
18
1 The Chalrman. All right.
19
8
Now whan
the' Pregfdent told you thae thosa were hls
26)
concerna, what action Wa & ther taker to Implanent eho 1
%
two
President 8 pollcy?
22
The action that wa? than eekan W6b co Eeka
1 Mr. Goodwin,
23
8 48Ide the orlginal Inatructions {rom the Stato
snd
84 :
PresIdent 9 Inatructiona , I typed up che
Departmene and at the
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In mY handwrlelng , whlch ##9 C0 g0 and
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go, #fghtly revdeed C0 0
1
A1} righe. Lee m0 merk ehe one In Your
3 Kr . Schvere.
hand 80 Exhible 3.
{The document relerred to
6
Ma0 marked 80 CooduIn
6
Exhibl€ No . J-8 {Or
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Ideneq {Laaelon.)
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#ell, Jet'0 @ark them, Mr_ Coodein You
# Schwer8,
2 how to do thfe 88 Kell 4# I do. Make chem J-A, J-D en
Rnow
1
J-C.
4 r , Gooduln. In #hlch I Pereona ] 1y added In the Cour80
5 of rovriting
ChaIrmen+ Can you Identity Jn the Sene€ore book8
6 The
Khoro th#ee documentb #Ppaar?
Mr . Schwerz. Mhbre 18 3-^7
Mr Coodwln . Thf $ 18 21} #€ Ehe bottom
10 (Peube)
Thle Xerox of Ty
raw, Perbonally typewritten draft Bppoa r a
11
T
1
12 On Page 237 Tha € ' & my
vary bed typing handwrfting.
C 0 256 10 the {Inal. And ehe B800 Page , 242 ,
13 And chen Paqe
C
1
14 Page 297 and 242 .
ChaIrmen . Ib 242 che {Inal veralon of the M0a84q0
15 The
;
16 that #ene
Hr_ GoodoIn. Y0b .
17
Chalrman . Thlg 18 :Or Dearborn {rom State?
10 The
j
Mr . Goodwin. Tha &' 9 correct.
19
6
Tha Cha lrman. And by whom w4} the megeages sIgned?
2u 1
Mr Goodwin. Probably ehe Secretary, I 9u69?, but thby
2]
dralts. 1 recefved 4 draft Eror the Scaee Dapare"
22 ar& both mY
#
6 discubsad J wleh cho Preaident, and 6€ his Ingtructfon
22 ment ,
1 I never would have overrIdden eha Seatd
24
PI #Pared chfa redra t.
Owni + end adding to Jt two major ponte aid8
25
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{Irbe One 1e On 0 dfeferene Mattar and
trom revordIng It. The
In tha {Inal VersIon, Mowaver 40
the secon4 0n# Beb to 0By
1
mube noe run the rfak o2
0.8 . 888oclatlon #ith polieical
the Unfted Staee# a0 4 matcor of genara ]
288a88[ne € [Onb , #Lnce
088e88[naelone. Thle le8€ princIple I8
PolIcy cannot condone
end Mobe Preveli In doubtful eItue tione .
overridlng
#a # Inserted #t the Inetrucelon o2 ehe President ,
The €
bt8€emene o2 tha€ than Occurs In the Stace
Much #eronger
@n4 It EInfehes egaln Wlth 0m J6 beyb,
Dopar tment dreft,
eime H0 ere uneble to trans{er armb
#Cleerly, B€ the Presene
10
we {0ol ehet the trana{er o2 arm8 would #0rve
11
to dles[dents.
1
12
very 1ltt10 purpobe."
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(The document refarred to
C
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6b
marked Goodwin
14
Exhfblt No. J-8 for
15
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16
Idaneieication. )
17
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The ChaIrman . Now Yo4 004 thle tolegram @nd #Pproved I0
2 before It W88 bent by 3eat0?
1
3 Mr. Gooduin. I Wroee J6.
The CheIrmen. Bue You 8eId thet tha St€e Department
changed the Janguage.
Mr Goodwin. Mo. They had prepared a0 orfgInel drefe
#hich I changed end redrefted _ Now cha € 10 here too, Includlng
note {rom them seyIng thet I wegn ' € aa€e€ [0a Yith thelr
dreft.
The Cha Irman . So thlg wab Your Own me#48g8, ehan' the€
10
You befleved accurately reflactad Preeident Kennedy 8 Policy?
1]
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1
1? Ar . Goodwin . Ie Nib prapared e€ tha epecftic Inatruction
C 0[ the PresIdent. It We8 Bhown to hfm before transmfesLon . 1 13
C
The Chafrman. It waa ahown to che Pres{den€?
14
15 Nr . GCooduln. Y8s.
1
16 Tha Chairman . Vary well.
Thon , reading che {Irst Paregreph , #The PresIdent heb now
17
approvad contingency Plans digcussad durIng Your beay here
18
1
Wlth 00 ma jor exceptIon. You ar# not to requas€ # pre-
19
3
#Igned request :or help Irom Dominican disaident groups .
2) 1
Mr . Goodwin. I cen axplein tha € , Sanator
%1
Thore Wa} 8 proposa] mede In the Stafe Dapartmen€ vere ion
22
tha & hag been dfecuseed tha t tha dlgsident qrouips, Ehat In c#50
22
;
they managed €o taka ovar the governmane and there Waa 90me
81 9
kInd 02 {Ighelng eha € chey Bhould requese help {rom Venazuela ,
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0 faw 08 Our e11l08 end eherefore we Oughe C0 Prepare
Columbie,
1
fOr auch 0 rbquebt . The PresIdent thought thet
2 them In adverce
L
In thelr hande woula bmoun € Co #
3 Putting such 8 document
declaratfon of war and wantad It #eruck.
1
The Chafrman . MI right.
5
conaJder It B8bentlal that
Thon
the Bocond paragreph,
4 &
well, before #0 g0 on #leh the #acond
You coneinue to
In cha {Irse paregraph You #4y ,
"The Pres {dent has
paragraph ,
Plans dlacuaeed during Your #eby haro
Tow #Pproved contingercy
With Ona mejor axceptlon.
10
thosa contingency Plans the € hed been
Mow , What wora
11
1
12
dlscussed?
have them hara , I belfeve. { think
Mr GoodwIn. They
1 13
have a eer [es of C
thfe 18 # very thick document, where You
14
It dlscu0b0b here,
~The paremount Interest
contingency Plana_
15
;
o2 the Unftad Steeeb 16 Eo beere that Castro-Conaun{8t
16
Trujillo 10 weak, end Ehen Jt
eledenta not teke OvBr . It say8
17
dfes dente thelr Ineeneion, the
18 en
analy9ie ot the
1e
and Jt goes Into the covrt
weakncbe of the
Frujillo ragime,
1
19 principa !
1 thfok probably 7 r 19 tho €
0
activftles , which,
26
1
Ineoreet 4€ thla €1m6?
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The 'Cha irman. Yeb ,
22
that b0cs {orth 41] the
Mr Goodwin. There' 8 an Append [ *
2:
Recommanda €on ^ of tha Unltad Statea ,
covert aceivitiab.
2; :
ovarthrow o Trujfllo, the € w0 Intorm
not Initiate tha
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26
albbIdente tha€ I they #uoceed 0n chelr cut end {ora #0
acceptable government we.#IIl b8 gled €o Comb In end help chem
|
2
and then Ehe rebe telke @boue here; way8 O2 recognfrIng
The Che Irmen. Thare 18 nothing In ehee cortingency
plan that contemplated the 888888[neelon of Trujillo hlmee}t?
Kr . Gooduln . It contempleeed Only ehe pobeIbliftY eha €
he mIght be 008888[ne€ed , coe ehe € #0 wou14 888888Inate hlm.
The Chafrman . Dut 10 he were `888098Ineted , It wouid have
tepe 56 8
Pre8 umably bbbr the rabuit ot en #ction by 0 dfeefdent group
"
t0 overehrow hle ragima?
10
Mr . Coodwln.
1]
1 The Chairman. AlI rIght.
12
c Mov to Peregraph 2 10 Your 00bb890 the Pre8ident' &
01 13
C
m688490 €o Mr , Daarborn , coneIder f€ #8R8ntla } that You
14
coneinue t0 work to strengehen pro-U.S . 8entiment #Mong dleaf -
15
1
dent grouPb & Your work #long thl8 1100 has been Inveluable.
16
llowoVar 40 Muse noe rw ehe rlek ot U.S . esboclatlon #feh
17
polftical ag8ageInatlon, aInce the U.S., 88 4 meeear 02 genera]
16
Policy cannot condone 888488ineeion. Thf e las€ PrincIple 19 1
19
Overriding and must Preva [ ] In doubtful atuations.
20
Mow that language, It ha g been buggested by aome mombore 1
2
Commf€e00 chat Your concarn here had Eo do wIth avolding
o2 cha
: 22
relationehlp thet mIghe Jead to 8 dlaclogure che € Ehe 1 eny
Volted Sebtmb had Indeed #7 Incbr0se Jn or Wab aomehow Involvad
8 24
Knowavar
In 4 ploe Co
489488lnate Trujillo. bece4ae You bey ,
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we Mube Noe run @he riek o8 0.8. 888oo48elon Mieh po!aedael
888680[naelon, eInce the 0.8, 00 0 Me€cer 62 general polloy
2
1
cannot condone @bba##Ination. mnfa Jabt PrInolple 10 Over"
rIdng and Mubt Peev8I] In doubeful sItuatlona.
Now don € thobe Vor? e€ 1028F covay Or Jend thenselvea
Co the Incerpretatlon that Your Primary concarn 04 0 ehe€ ehe
UnIted 9tates #hould not qot caught?
7
Mr Goodwln, Hell, I don ' € be[leve #0 , Senator , beceube
8
I ehlnk, Co mB , ehe Plaln meanIng o2 che morde end 88 1
underatood It #a# thet we mubt Dot run the rlak 08 0,8.
10
a##Ociatior #ith Polieicel 888888Inatio6 . Tna € M0ana no €
1)
1 be #8bocia€0d wleh the Procebs 6{ politica} 888888Inatios J0
12
8
any {orm,
C
1 13
Sena €or Baker . Mr . ChaIrman?
14
In that BaM0 veIn, 10 1 cou1d Interrupt {or Just 8 secord
1
16
16 1t Eruo 40
end would Counsel prompe M9 0 @ tha € the qun} had
16
elready been dlepatched?
17
Mr, Schwerz. CertaIn gune.
16
Senacor Deker I'm not tlking aboue how Many , Fritz.
1
1
5 Gung had been dlspatched _
%0 1
Mr Schwerr. Du € thfe talegram re{u8eb the Pasaage of
%
four machine guna .
22
Senator Daker . 1'm not goIng to argue wlth I am
22
Juat BaY{ng eha€ 94n8 baen ispatched _
24 :
Sanator SchweIker. Ivhe $ 8 eha dbee 0} ehls tolegran?
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Senetor Bekar . Thf# wa# Just before Ehe @8BeeeIneeion ,
1
2 Ewo before the a@0eeeInatlon ,
3 Mr _ Smothere . Cerblnee and Pieto]8 had bean dfepa Eched
Machtne 9un# Worm In the country but had Rot Dbam turned Ovbr
to the dl88(d0nt8.
Senaor Reker . And Dow , In retrospece , #0 T# not Guite
Jure 4# or there" 9 no Indfcatfon het ehe qun# Yere ectueijY
u8ed In the 8682#84natlon, although thay Msy neve been In ehe
back #Ba€. I0 eha+ about the wey 16 aeecke Up?
10 The Chefrman. And the dl88[dente hed requested machlna
} 9ung .
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12 Sana€or Daker . And the Witne8e , or #noeher Witnebb , ho9
11 13 B8[d #a choughe the BIgne 1 # {or eeeeeeIne€lon elforte {Or
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14 Dachine gune whan In {ace 1t would #Ppear thae they wont ahead
15 Mle the ma terlel Ln hend.
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16 Mr . Gooduln. I belleve thoy had addlelone] 9u08 oe thefr
Oun} . Xou wouldn t try Jt Wieh 4 39 .
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beceube carblnes or Piatol8 wouldn t u88d In 8n 298888Inati0m
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aga[nst 2 heavily armed
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21 Mr Goodwln. Trujillo travalled wlth bodyguards Jn 4
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hravfly &rad car .
Aleo , i: I might add , Sena eor
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I0 and havIng ahovn 16 to PreeIdene Ronnedy , 0r6 You tabt eyIng
2 eha € J€ 488 Your underatand[ng ehe € the meening o8 Ehe €
7
3 boneonce 90 thet ehat @entonce #ab Intended to Convey €o Me .
Dearborn 8
Prokibielon agInat Involving the Unlead Sce€6b
5 Jn an aa#esIn4td0n actomde On ehe 1t0 o Rc . TruJfllo?
Ar Goodwin. Abbolucely. And In My {Iret drafte 1 did Jt
In terms o2 dacloaura end chenged eha € , #cruck Chat Pnrebe
about dlaclosure In order to make the polne, end &Jweyb 0€ Ehe
Pree [dent" 8 Inatructlon, to make abaolutely cleer Eo the Coneul ,
beca U80 8 ubed' Ehe very word dlsolobure, You Cen 800 hare , end
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I crobbed I€ Oue, In MY hendwrfelnq.
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embarresa[ng. Alo , on the Xero* 00 I cen' € read ehe hand -
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wrfting the Xerox.
Wlovaver wa 01bo Mube noe 8e bomethiog 3# 0 'permfe eny
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denger ot d[sclobing eny U.S. abaocietlon #lth polltica]
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aa969sinatlon or InterventIon Jn the DomInicen RepublIc _
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It g@Ya or Intervention . 1l that #a3 atruck.
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Sarator Daker, Tha € bound8 Jko exactly what cha Cha{rran 1
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don ' € caught.
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; Mr. Goodwin. Abbolutaly, wnfch 18 why 1 changed Jt,
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eaeocfatior WIth political #8888inetion #{nce the 0.8., 80 &
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2 matter o[ genera] Policy, cannot condone 8888881netsom, 1
1 3 Senator Daker. I've to Bay , nd I don ' € meen It tc
4 ba critice] ot thfe Wiereb8 , bu € On {Iret feading 0f thfe
5 documan€, Nhlch Wes Bome EIme 0go + 46 aoundud 8 Joe €o 06 1ik0
ehe Mlaalon Impobbible openIng when they Bey , 12 You cauaht
7 che Secretery 0II) deeVow eny know) 08 thie underesk1ng.
Mr . Goodwin . 1 KB9n t famfMler #feh th# Program #€ ehfe
time'
10 Sonator Daker . Por wab I, at tnat Eime.
11 3 nead rarbburencd, ana I chlnk the racord doe8 , thae eha
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12 coincidanca 0{ Eha € chle cable, thls #ire, golng oue, aey :wo
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dlspetched , elehough noe ehe gune ehey requebead = and under
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tha circumsbnce8 Jt mIghe Jend I680l€ Co thae Ineerpretatlon.
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16 Thlg #ieneba Bay8 16 doea noe . There 10 no evidence to
ehe contrary tha t I ' m aware of , and I don ' t know the t We neea]
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to Purbu6 tha 188ue any {urther
18
1 Hr Goodwin . If 1 may , Sanator
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Sonator Waker. And fe &190 , 49 Smothara poines out , that
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chero Ka] another communicatIon syIng deatroy anything You va
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got, 4]1 thosa communlcatlons axcept thl? cable.
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Mr Aeron. Tha € 1 Btandard practica. Tha € 10 ehe 8tandar:
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praceice :or covert cperation8 .
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and Platole #0r0 trenaferred 1n Jete Jaruary , 1960 , bubbequant
2 to 40 auchorfgatfon o2 Jenuery 12th, prlor to Kennedy' 8 eaking
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3 office. I'm not bura 02 eha dete o2 che erenbfer. 1 haven' t
908n any Indicetlon o2 the deee 0f the & trenbeer . I do Xnow
tha€ the Preafdent #48 not awere o€ any trensfer o2 gunb ,
5
baceube ho cold Me he wa8 not ewere 62 I€, untIz #0 {Inel ly
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requeeted # revlav 8 couple 6{ moneha , 0 {0w montha Jater , 6f
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complete covart OparatIone In Che DomInicen Republic, at
8
Vhich point w0 becam# #ware tha t thle tranafer had occurred ,
I Beq14 don € Know Ehe dae0 oe thee tranbfer .
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And chen J€ W6a the beafe 02 cha € hrletin9 Paper , which
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1 obvous ly the DonLnIcan Republfc Wab not tha {ret matter on
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President Kennedy 9 agenda chen ha cams Into office, 0n eha
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048f8 of that brlefing paper , he revlewed Our pollcy and 9enf
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this colegrem.
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The Chairmar . And W48 the purpobe of the Eelegrem to cel]
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o2{ any fureher Involvemant by che United Stetes government In
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an
898a89Lnation attempt agalnst Mr . TruJfllo.
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Mr Goodwin. The Purpobd wes to make JUrd the Unfead 1
19
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Staees 469 noe Involved Ln any a98889Inaelon. Tha Purpose w43 t0
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slow down that kind of Ovor-zea]ou8n8s9 The Presid0nt W4$
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noe chae.#nxlous Co 800 Trujfllo chrown out
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Sanator Tower Tha t doegn t totallY #nahbr the quobelon ,
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Mr Goodwin. Well, 1 'm borry .
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Chairman. Nell, You 800 , We know, {rom Your tastimony
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tha€ You had bear #dvised In thet certa m weapon# hed been |
2 tranaferred to certaim dibbidedt 9rQuPa Gho at Jeeet hed
e*pressed #n Intarabe In &8be8einating Trutfllo.
Mr . Goodhin. Corrace.
The Chelrman. S0 chare #e9 0 connaceion, che conection
belng ehet the Ner Ican governmen€, through ehe CIA, {urnlshed
7 #eapora to 0 grouP tha t had coiuunIcated Ite Interes€ , 12 not
8 It8 Intentlon , €o 8bba8bInate Trujfllo.
80 then You 8and thfe Mebba9e, and 1'm #8king You 0: che
10 meb8age W8b mbene Co c4 thig of8 , ehf8 Jnvolvemen€, Kha t
5 1] axectly 488 meent? #eren € BeyIng racovar ehob0 arm? .
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12 Hr . Goodwin. I waan ' €+
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The Chairman, Dut at the 880 tlme , You #ero saying, don
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14 tranafer the mchfme gun& & W0re You noe?
Mr . Coodwin. That ' $ right. I think the PresIdent Tt what
16
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16 Wa ware saylng 10
The Chalrman. What exacely Wbro You beying?
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Mr Goodwln; We were JavIng chs € W0 dldn' € vent €o do
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19 anythIng tha € would Involve 08 further , the Unfted Stet0b
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{urther, In any affort €0 489888Inate Trwjfllo.
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2 : Tho Chafrman. I 900. I 808 .
Mr Goodwln. Becsume 40 Wara {or #a8 8slneelon .
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22 Sonator Bakar . The dfatlnctlon 18
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Senator tower. Well, It gaya hare In numbor J, 10 a4Ys ,
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contioue to Inform dleeident #ementb of U.$. support 02 thefr
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pobition . S0 Vhet, egeIr Ehe Interpreta tion the € cen be drawt
Erom thfe 10 che € w0 don' € went Co be Involved , but go eheed
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and have the oeher"guye on , beceube ehefr pobitlon would b0 €o
0982984n4 Trujlllo, 80 wha€ Yoi} are In e fact doing 14. beyina
let'0 don € bo Involved Jn f€ but let'9 Indicate our aupport
for what 876 dolng .
Mr . Gooduln. Ne were Indcating our]bupport tor #ha€ they
ward doleg 07 the baa[9 of the etlmate In ehe contingency
Papor that Trujfllo'0 days were numbered and whoaver took onfce
10 Wa Yanted €o b0 Our man, that 18 correct. And 60 wa woro 9oing
1} to bupport and to retein ' relatlone #nd bey #G would bupport
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J2 #hich 18 no€ 8 dffeicult thing to do, 49 Yqu know , any qroup
12 chat mighe take Ofeice and pa moderate and pro-Ilnfted States.
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Thu € web 414 W wora Interested w8$ havIng 0 Pro-Amarican
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15 govarnmen€.
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16 Senator Schweiker. Wall, ehere #{0 Ewo other references
here, Mr dooduln. Paragreph 3 , C6s0 02 es8a#9Inetlon or
1"
overthrow" obvlously 9t112 had 4 refarance there, whether
Jt
1 Iniefated by 4 Pro-U.$. group Or not , w4? at111 Pert of the
19
: planning, and ehen back on Paqe 3 You B4Y , In aceua ] {act , w0
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{00l che tranbfur ot arms would 60rva vary Wttle Purposa
2 ]
expose tha Unltad Seee08 Co greet dangar 8 ultimate digclogur$
2*
1 In Partlclpatlon Ln an #aaag9fna&fon atcempe, end thae 18
2:
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scratched oue, ard Bay8 "agaa8sinatlon attempt, meaning eha €
8
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eInce the ulelme€e Bould #tIm be daclobed I€ You gave thle.
2 So #ha € [nterpretation? 1 meen , chle 50 rift here #leh
7
088680Inetion proposItionb, and che face tha t You have "uleimaee
dlscloaure, fdar Of ulelmate dleclobure o{ Participatlon,
Mbent that Cortalnly chera #eb Bome- thing already atoot, the t
ultlmately would be discloged 18 #en€ eheed #Ieh thf$
7 Pbbbthrough.
8 Hr GooduIn. I think what W0 #ore aeYing 10 12 #0 dd ,
l€ mould bo {ound out #ltImataly, whlch Meenb not rIghe avay ,
10 bue Je€ar. In the case of ea#egainelon or ovarthrow , ehere
11 Wera Mny Jroupb , a continua ] Vlow o{ groupa , 02 Informa€ion ,
1
12 tha € chare Hor# variQus groupa Plann[ng €o e80a00{nete
1 12 Tru)fflo.
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Sene- Schwolker. Well, 10 that' 0 #hat It meant, ehen
16
15 Yhy dfd You delete It?
1
16 Mr . Goodwin. Nell, I ehink
Sonator Schwelker. If Ehae w8 B Your Interpretation , why
1 "
In {ace did You deleta those {our worde , "uleimg€0 dlbclorure
JE
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of parclcipatIon?" 1
Hr . Gooduin Could You tell ma What page You {0 rbeding
2 L
{rom?
Sonator Schwelkar. Page 3.
The Very wordb eha € You Interpret 0ne way War0 Jn {act
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deleted whlch bhows co mu chet You meare ehem #noeher way , or
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2 Nr _ Goodwin. Mell, 8 mean I
1 3 Senetor Schwelker . 80 the € You dlaguee the €.
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4 Mr . Goodwln. Mell , tha words #ere deleted bacaub0 chey
5 Hora vordb Ehe € Vore going to 9ive exacely the Impregelon You
6 0r0 talkng about: By tlking eboue uleima€a dleclobure , #9
7 ware aErafd of belng {ound out wha & #0 Jdn € vant Wa# any
0 eeBoclaton #lth the 688a80(nation attempte, 80 ehe reference
to dleclosure 08# struck and the worde abocLatlon wore
9
10 {nbertad.
Sanetor Schvelker. Due You 0€112 c8), of€ 00 You 0e114
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1 laft the Jenguage, In eceuel {ece 40 f0el tha transfer 0t Brns
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would Jerva very ttle Purpobe and GXPoae the UJnfted Stateb 1 12
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to great danger of aggoclation wlth aa8a#0ination attempt8 .
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other lenguage, che€ baya # uleiaa€0 disclosure o8 Particlpation
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which Implfes to Me You Woc0 concerned Bboue Other tnirgs You
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Yere dolng and thlnge tha t had already been programmed 45
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L operation that You Yore 86 much corcerned about thoae belng
19
6 or you wouldn t have changed che lanquaqe Co s6I1 B4y the Jane
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thicg #Ith that 00# dlatinctlon ahout somathinq el80 being
8{Ooe. 1 don ' € Be 4 27
Mr , Goodwir. Me]l, I changad t, T belfAve, Sanator
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2 #Ith 488abbiraelon , Tha t 8 1 aeruck J6 oue, 1
Senator Schvelker You changed the 1engu8ge, but che Mrat
part 0 1t remaIned exactly tha #ame . In {Bct, wB {00l Eha
5
cranafar 02 armb would barvd very Iittle Purpobe and 0*pobe
the Unfted Stateb. So while You changed the Ibnguage , You had
Ehe #4m0 condltion chere ehe e You wora not 7oi07 to eupply thobai
8 #rme .
Mc Goodwin. Ie weren t, cha € 8 correce. M0 bore not
Sanetor Schwelker. but Yure You noe concerned ebout
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ehe othar Ianguage, becauee I M 1]
; Mr , Gooduln. DecaU80 the ImpliceeIon 0/ the other J4novaga
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c 4I3 cha€, Vell, 60 wero worried ebout belng {ound oue , Yhan In 8 13
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{ece #hae che Policy was Wa0 that we dld noe Yane Co be
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Involved . So 3 atruck tha Implicatlon .
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Ar . Smother8. Mr . Goodwin, wab the communlcation oF
16
our withdrawing to Daarborn? The Only woy Dearboro could have
1
been any clobor co thlg plot would hava bdan Co pacome one of
Jt:
cho dlssidant group. They told hfm evervehing ehay did, down 1
1 $
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Eo and Includ Yhan tho car was coming down the roed _ And
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40 knew that, didn't w6?
Nr Goolwln. Ne]) , I haven € ban any communicatlong to
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and 1f they told him everythIng they were Planning to do. Dut
2 It'0 & long Jump betwedn Baying You're going Out and K12
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TruJfllo and pulling I€ Of8, 88 many People trled.
Bue I Wea noe Bver0, 69 I can remamber eha € he had any
kInd of detaf Led Informatlon.
Mr , Smothere. Mle m8888988 back to CIA, Im {ect, convey
choea datfl0 , don } Ehey?
Mr . Goodeln. Not che & 1 bew @ter ehle, #hen the#e
nona o[ tham that
Mr . Schwarz. #o]l, did You Xuow Or dld You know ehae
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the diesIdenee Ineonded to 0b0 Ehb Bme [ ) eTm# , carblnee end
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PIstole, and other materials chey hed chambajvos, but Intended
12
c to 490 the 4eoPona 4b had auPPIiad to 8888s8inare Tru)fflo In
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precisely tho way he w2g , In facte a9gaa [n€ed? Did You know
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thet bafora You wrote Cha celegrem, Or not?
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Ar Goodein. No , bacause whe € I'm rabponding t0 10 4
16
request that Bay8 #6 ced € do 1t unlea8 40 have the mchina
17
guns , end chat'8 Co ba uged tor the 088888InatiOn . He 'are
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1 gying, don" € gIve chem machlne quna_
J $
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Leter on they sld to Dearhorn, 1 Moar ho dfd tall m8
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thae eecerward? , I don' € know when thoy told him, Yell , we'u)
do It, Khothar or not 4# get the machlna gung. I moan , eha t
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Truj4llo #Ith 8 ~0 J8 , I muIdn € have eaought the €, 12 1 ehought
2 about IE.
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3 Prebidene Kennedy went to Parle 0 week or two Jater. when
6 ehe as8a88Inatfon actually occurred , #0 #re 011 taken_bY
5 surpr[ee, #0 thet Daerborn had dotef led knowledge of #hen ft
040 golng to occur , #0 aldn' €. The Vice President 3 4
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en amorgency maeeing wIeh the Vice PreeIdene, 4 telejram wa8
to Parie, end ehen the 888888Inaton ended UP gatting #ngouncer}
by Pierre SalInger .
2 10 Due thfs Instruction , the Preefdene told MG he wanter to
1] mek0 It abbolutely cleer w0 re not geteIng Involved Jn
1
12 a88a80Inetlona.
c: 12 Senator Mondale. Mr . GopdvIn, the racord shoe 1 chlnk
14 V0 tabtiefed €o chfa 00
the t towerd the end o€ the Efbenhove
15 AdmInletration, they declded to bupply arma t0 thfs dissIden€
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16 group and a884gt Io the 888880Ineelon 0[ Mr . Trujillo. Then ,
choso documeneb Bhov , 0€ bome point very near to tho tlma
17 88
18 that Kr TruJfllo was actually 488288lnated _ a celegram W88
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) % 8ene €o our Consul bayIng , 49 don t Wane to b0 aasocated Wth
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; 2% Eo procaad further In light 0f tha {ace that they may have
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488a8gInato Trujfllo had Our hle8e ing? In other words , thara
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2 Sone€or Tower. Mel} , the rext Iine Bey8, "Continue to
3 latorm dleeldente o2 U.9, bupport EOr ehelr pobielon.
Senator Mondal0. In other words , 10 I were 03# 0 f those
dles{dents end 3 qot that {rom the United States Purbuant €o
thfe @erlfer agreement, I would feel encoureged to bellave that
I hed che bupport of eha IJnitad Scaeeb In kIfling Tra} o , and
che € weren' € exactly noutra ] In tha € , # JBa8t , Our govarn-
ment #a0 not realJy neutra [ , that It @ncouraged them .
7
10 I€ 1a erum thae they dIdn : get the machIne gun8, and Jt
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8 rea!ly wha € I don € underacand . I
5 Kr . Goodwin. Well, Jee me baY , Sanbtor , {Irat of 01l ,
thet the queatlon of #88e#8ineelon now 10 Peramount In People' 8
@Inda. Thare 10 no doubt the < #0 hoped erat 'Truj llo would.be
overehrown, Noe Only #a9 thelr Ro doubt , but there 8eb 0
unenimoue Voea o} che Orgenfzation ot Amer Icen Stat08 cha € J€
be obereczed and benctlona Impoaed #ith ehe Che € It
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14 4 coup d'Bce€, 0 revolueion or a cfvf] Kar 02 80m8 klnd 0 Yho] &
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naelon bocause 0 0 In fact, 1: would 808m #t that tImo to be tha
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13 moat dffffcult thfng of 411 to d0, Ile Wag heavfly guardad
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protoctad, ordfnarfly. kn Bw mors about It than #0 dld .
And Yhen that happened , Yhlch w# (avored ehae happaned
27
because Ha falt chat the catabl [ghment 0f a democraec raglme
2: In che Dominican Republlc wag gomething not only baneficle] €0
24 tha Unfeed se4698 and Co our poHlcle9. 1 moan, whon ra 9
20
talking about Trujlllo ha W4b not 0 I meen, about hwman 14{0 ,
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the Man Wa0 not only 0 Fascfet, but he #eb 0 murdarar. Ile
2
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to heve 0 {reezer room In ehe beck 08 hls hoube Yhere ho vould
tke Paople and Ghow ehem the bodles o[ enem[08 .
Du€ In eny Gven , Ehat 08 bon# of Qur concern, pue Our rea]
concern #88 ehat chfa #a8 regarded 88 en Inevitabllity &nd #e
Veatad to b0 #8bocIaEad WIeh the now Joveroment.
7 tor Hondule. I understend but thd arqutant 10 made
8 Wler rabpoce to thet last telegrem thet Jt Wea 8 {19 lej {
telearam deelgned €o cover our erackb ahould 888888Ination Occur
10 and You argue and I thlnk Peraua&{vely , that Jntended You much
} mor# ehen that, You Intended to make ft cleer chat #0 #oro Go €
8upporting tho #88eb8ination , ehet machine 9unb wer # not golng C
1
:o be uaed C
1 < I2 ehe€ Waa our Intent, and I teko J0 ehe € 16 wa8 , why
1
1 $ Ve dIdn" t #0 go Onu step furcher and BaY Pleabe communIcate €o
16 thase dfasldentg who have evary relbon to belleve {com paae
) " hlstory that may be supporting the overthrow , Includlng
Jo 4888881n4€ion , tha € 4B oppoae the 489499Inaefon ot Mr Tru)fnlo
1
Wouldn € chat make i6 vary cleer than that woro out 0f %
che bus[/e99? 1
Nr . Goodwln. I don ` t know. It would heve made [€, 1
8UPpo8& , cldarer co thum_ On che ocher hand , I ehink , 16' $
1
thefr country, and could Jeal with Truffllo 08 { wantad
: %_ Co, It w28 noe golng Eo be u9 that dea}€ with hlm Jn.thfe
2 {abhfon.
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Sanetor Mondele. Yeah , but 800, 1f #0 W0r0 completely
2 nautre] I'd #gree wieh ehat. I( they wanted to 88b888Inate
7
Trujfllo thet' 0 thefr buelde8?. I agree #Ith ft, chat' $ none
0{ our bualnesa.
Dut 1 thlok we were alreedy Implice€ed. It'0 Bore 08 1fk0
belng Jn 4 crimina] conbpiracy end than pulilng Out the dey
betore che Job 18 dona and not telling anybady . It 8888 t0
me You should Bay , boys , I'm Que and I don' € Wen € You to do It .
The ChaIrmen, I've chenged mY mind .
0 Senator Monda le . Tha t 0 why 3 don underatand .
Senator Daker . It' 0 #ort 02 11k0 ehe #Itueelon ehe € 9 1]
1
baen deecribed to 08 whara Paopla were beyond contro] You
22
8 couldn € communicats with chem afEer the {orcoa had been 80 €
12 C
2& 1n moeion .
Mr _ Goodwin. Hell, may I tell You, I don € Know tha € there
;
15
#ver #88 any atatement tha € thogo qun? that were euehorized or
16
January 12th , aither Jn the authorizaeion Or 8ubsequan€,
the purpobe8 ot 888488Inatlon Or ocherwlae.
1
Mr . Schwarz. Hell , tharo" wor0 {bcotes of thobe;
:
and whother chey reached or not 18 4 Beperat9 end mpurtaat
1
questio# , but thora art {Our or (Ive axamp]os 0f communication
:
to the Aqency , 3 think paeeed on €0 che Stat$ Departmant
2}
and cha € thoga gun8 ware to be uged an a888a8Inatlon ef {ort
2
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Khether or not the machfn# 9un} Yere obtaIned .
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Senator Mondalo. Weh1, You 888 , cha € could be Important .
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becau#e I2 Your underbtandng W80 08 You have Just descrIbed
2 thbt the telegram mekeb more 0ene 0. Bue 18 In f8c€ #0 were
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3 {mplcaeed , 68 I underatood ear]er In ebbebbInaeIon ettempta
4 The CheIrman . Fritz, Jook @ € the #ay Deerborn 18. I
ehlnk Jt'0 Vary Important to undorstend thig mettar , €o Jook
at ehe wey Dearborn epperenely undaretood the LRetruction. Ho
wa # the 0n# Co whom 16 #eb gIven, and he #ires back, havlag
racelved ehe Inatruction , the follouing 4m no# thie 18 a€ Tab
J, book 2 of 2 , che Jecond J ,
It gay8 ~ {Irat o2 a]1 , do You heve thee, Mr , Goodwin?
10
Ar . Gooduln. Y0e, I do .
11
The Chairman , IE Bay8 : 1 bel{eve #6 can hold pro-Ilnite'
12
3 States dls8idente , elehough #ieh bome grumb] (r9 on the bug] 8
12
C
Bet [orth. Now You're not Ilkely €o hold them 1t You te/1
14
them You longer connected wich ehefr Bcheno and Mr.
16
1
Dearborn had not beer Inatructed to tell them che €,
16
"Two , Eollowing our obbervatlons for Depareren€ end CRS
1"
cona dtration8 , A) 12 #ccampe 10 mde by Vaf€ed States' frlends
18
1 to 488a88Ina€a Trujfllo , there 0I1l be Iccubeeionb aq4Inst 09
19
8 an} che best w6 cad do 1g 846 there 19 no proo{ .
20
Sonator Baker . To 806 there 19 Proot _
The Chairman. "The greatast danger polat 16 Thoma & Stockare
10 wab given 4 ama)1 number o2 arm8 by dlssIdun€ agent9 €o hohtl
2
bevare 1 daye and ha 8 told severa ] Paraona dlaaldenta obtalnad
24 8
ehdae Itemb rom Conbuleee: Stockard told me BeyIng. I have
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1 Informed Nm thfe cernot pe trud Or 1 would know #hen he
1
2 requested ma bupply armg through him for dls0[dent8 , 1 told
1 him It #aa Jmposs[ble. Ile 10 greater danger becaube 08
ambiterment aga4net CAS , # Meceer of which CAS head-
persona 1
quarters 1g tully Informed.
On to s4Y that #Bince Joce] CAS 10 now to
Than ho 9008
maInly Jn
Intelllqence collection and reporting, 1
engage
trenbEer Erom
the Dominican Republlc ot thr0o
recommand urgent
I€
emering 088888inaelon ploe should meterfz] fe,
CIA o {icera.
would be In danger and mIghe ba pickad up {or Trujfllo-
1G they
quest Ionlng. Thfe 10
8a8[ly avoidable by qulck transter
) 1 EyPe
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Jow The8 & thres have enqaqed In tully &uthorized activity
€ could the Unftad Stet08 In bad Ic
which, 1( uncovured,
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atfil consIderable Job In Coum terebpionaqe
16
pos[tion . Thor# 18
reportlng nead €o {ollow CODR ,
1 end tha collaction
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toster Leftist actfvitfes.
Mow chare 8 6 voce on ,
1
becauge It suggests thae Mr . Dearborn goe 8
1 read thfs
1 &
than eha one You Jay You Intanded :o Bend _
1
1Y Jifferent m8s3aga
3 (A brfef rec6bs 4a? taken. )
Chaf rman . Lot 8 90 back on the record_
tapa} 6a The
% Wall, that Paraqraph , 60 M0, Senator
Mr Goodwin.
^ 3 # I 8m no € 8ure whother hle Interpretation 0}
2: Paraqraph
least
In sp0cieic8, 980m9 Eo be clear,
Instructlone , or
hag informed eham that he cannot supply #Tm;
4 Ila Baya that he
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€o the dlesldente , and thet 10 ehet 1e whe € Rennedy , of courae,
1
1 2 had Ba [d In the telegram . And the raquab€ had been to Know
1 3 whather Or noe he could eupply #rmb .
1 So thee I 900 {rom that Polnt 0} Vl0w , I aM noe BUr# ,
qulte cleer, In what way ha mlelnterpreted che talegram.
The Chelrien. Mefl, let" 0 90 0 € I don 't think he
hae #Ielneerpreted his {nstructiong not to Bupply More 4rmb
Tha € ' 0 cleer enough . Aut 10 You 90 doin Eo 0 00 4*0 You Mlth
ma now?
10 Mr . GooduIn. Yed .
F
1 The Chefrian . "Since Joca ] CAS" I quabe Eha € Bhould
12 be Chief 0{ Seaelon I M "Since loca ] Chfet o8 Seaeion, then"
0 12 end che€ would 6# CIA Chfef of Station 4 4 "Since Joce ] Chfef
C
16 of Seacion 18 now to 0r9890 ma Inly In Intelligence collectdon
10 end raporcing, I recommand urgent trerbEer #rom DomInlcan
1
16 Rapublic o2 chree CIA officerg. I[ 8mmering 888888Inatdon Plot
Bhould matariallze now that In Itaelt , 10 I may dlgreb8 8 1 "
moment, auggeet? that In Dearborn 9 opinfon eea8a8inaelon mIghe
Je
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be ImInont. For ha B4Ys "I2 Bimnering as8asainatfon
19
3 ahould materfalfze, would b0 In danger and mIght be pIckad
20
uP or Trujlllo-type quaseloning. Thfe 18 e48f]Y avoidable by
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2*
1 that a n 288489Ination mIght ba JmmInene, otherwiee, tranafer
23
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tham. Thes& chra& have ungaqad In {#lly JuthorIzed actfvftleg
8 *4
which, 5{ uncovarad , could put the (In f€ed stat0s In bad Pubfc
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Poefton.
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Nov' [ would raed thoee words 28 meanlng chee Mr Dearborn
2 1
at Jeaat the real pogs bflty ot a8gegelnation
1 3
anticfpated
Imadlata future and eha € ha Wes recommend [ng
6
attempes In ehe
thoa# CIA off cerg ehat had
been connacted wIth having
that
Bhould bB taken Qut o[ the Dominlcan Republic
6
BuPplfad weepon8
rIghe away .
Mell, 1 a9r8e #Ith 4 Pere 08 that
Mc Goodwin.
cor , a Ichough I chink ehe€ thero were 888888{natlon
Sone
Dominican Republc and Tow , and of courea ehf 9
eImmering In tha
10
plece, And I think he We#
concernad that tho
In {ece took
11
~ a88e8#Lratfon would ba uneuccesatul , that Trujfllo would
~ 12
about the tranblor o{
the Nnar(cans and VInd Out not #Imply
8 13 up c
bue the whole renga of covere ecelvieie8 chet they had
guns
16
6
In, torture them and Perhape kIfl them.
been engaged
15
the 8efeb€ ching to d0, Mieh ehfs thing In
And he ehouqht
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them out of the country . There Wab nq
the alr, wa $ t0
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the € Wb8 sant Co him that denle? the
I think , {n the telegram
1#
Trujfllo miqht be 488488{nated or that chere
1 Po8sIbflity thae
498899inatlon , which 19 the purport c{
mIght be an attempted
2:
war buccessful , hera
Duarborn 8 , bacuubb 12 tha 488a8sination
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4a? no to che CIA out.
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Bue chere 12 bomathing Mot0, raa ] JY. I{
The Chafrman.
088a99{natlon Wa} 4 Jong continuing chlnq, 0 1 the possibflity ot
mind 0} Daarhorn, doe8 he rabnond to ehis
always on cha
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Inatruceion by saylng, thebe men Qut nok?
1
2 Mr . Cooduin. Mell I think obvloualy these People hed
I
1 releyed €o him tha€ they're golng to ery to Make the @ceempt
enywby , Wieh or #lehout the machine quna. le thought cha attemp-
might be ebortfve , and I€ B0 , he thoucnt thet 011 Nabr ICene or
Paople that corked for hlm Or #Ieh him would be In denger .
Tho CheJrmad . Than You vould' heve Eo #Gr0# #th m# ,
8 vouldn' € You, che€ In hlo oplnfon, Dearborn 0 opinIon , ne had
evldence the € auggebeed to hlm that 87 008e88Ine€lon @€compt
Jo #a # {mnInent.
Coodwln. 1 thlnk cha € 8 cler. 1 think 1€ #a $ .
Tha Chairmar. And he took thlg bu{{iciontly serfou8 €o
8 racommand getting ehe chreo CIA aqenta oue wiehout {urther
13
C delay?
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Mr GoodwIn. { think that' 8 right. Tha t' 0 abbolucely
16
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erua, becaubo I chlnk he bellevad that chero w8b 4 Jerioub
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ettempt Jn the off[ng , 48 Indeed there #ad , he 88# abbolute]
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I 1ke Eo Bey + [E 1 mIght go beck, the € In terms of
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che telegram , 1a that I Ba€ in tha offic0 wIth PresIdene
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Kennedy who instructod M0 t0 draft 6 eelagram to Jay that ha
nothing to do with polftIcal 499499inaelon8 , whdch I
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1 dfd, 80 It' 9 not a matter o[ Interpretaton, bacaug0 he cannoe
23
7 testfly to chee matter , 80 f0' 8 noe 4 quest {On ot read [ng the
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aboue cha € Instruction.
2 Hr Schwerz. Aesum[ng the € You art tefling tho truth
7
3 Mr Coodwin. Thenk You.
Mr. Schwerz . Ke have to explore whather gomathlng went
In che comunIcaclon Procabe , end I Wene to Boma
#rong
Informatlon In {ront ol You and then 800 JE You can help 48
#xplain what, 1f snything, wane wrong.
Kould You bhow him Exh{bft 2-R.
Exhiblt 2-^ 10 # cable deted March Zoth Irom the igency
Nov
Domlncan Republdc to the Aqency In Heshinaton. And
10 In the
1, 1t debcribad the Way In whfch #m 4
1) r0ad{09 In Pereqraph
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1 describe8 4 plot.
C In Paragraph 4 , Jt gay8 the followfnq : do , they
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6 {Ive M-3' 6 Or comperebla machlne gune end 1509 round8
14
dafena0 In event {fre {Ight. HIn ube :
15
ammun[tlon for Persona ]
:or basIc Job. Now the baedc Job {8 apparenely
gulet Wa8 pons 2
1"
the e88a88natfon.
Were told now , In Exhiblt 1 , You vare
Zow aqtin, You
J%
tha brfefing on covert actlon by the CIA chet cha 1
J' told Jn
6 carbfnee 4nd the plgtols had been pabRad {or parsona! defense
2
not to do the beafc Job, 49 thfa telagram Indicates.
Voapon 8
Goodwin. The € ' 8 correct. Tha € 8 wha € t gay? .
Ar , *x
Mr . Schwarz. RIght . I unduratand chae.
I 8m trying to underatand {0, In telline You chat
Now, wha€
had been paagad {or Pareona] def4nge purpobds , do
38, cha Weapona
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You thlnk tha € 18 conaIeeane, 1b candid, In Mght 02 cha
1
2 {ace cha t che agency hed bean told eha € other weaponb Ware 1
going to be for Lhe baeIc Job, cha € 18 the aeae8 Ineeion.
0
Mr . Gocden. He)), chera ar0 bevars ] communfcatione
regerding the wespon d6ta418 of the plen and ehev 850 obvous]y
6 Inconelatant.
7 Mr Schwarz. They er0,
Mr . Goodwin. The telagramb 88Y {t, bue On Ehe other hand
cerbine or pisto] 18 hardly 0 qufet weapon. 3 mean, 1 would
rogerd cha € 8 8 ReyIng I # going to atrangle him. And 10
1 (
You r0 going Eo hava 4 ere {Jghe Ith machine qun?, { moer
J )
1 Jn other vorde , Jt aaama €o me cha : aomebody 10 InterprettIng
Yhat s4y , or they mighe have had Mve or B{x different
€ 1
c
16
Plane .
Tho r0qubb€ ehe € Cbma Co che whfee Iloube, :Ina]y. #aa
1 :
very #pacific, and this 1s Eoo, that addfelone} WbaPorg are
16
needed In order to carry oue an a88a98[natlon plot. I mean,
1
however You thl8 , thay do gay they need addlelona] Wedpona
1t
1 to carry off an agsa9gination . And that 19 Vha t che Preeident
19
: #€ that pInt had Jn mInd on May 1Jth, around 1Jeh , aboue
2
4
the origina } cranafer , whfch was pursuant to any po] Icy Fha f
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ho had #stab) shed or any dfrectlong Eha : 90 had ?ver: . Jnmad [4&8]!
1 B4J , You know , make t clear to Dearborn that W0 not gottInq
Involved 1x 488a88natlons . They can do Vhae Ehay want, but
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40 Gr0 not going to gae Jmvolvad
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{ Sonator Monde [0. In other worde , the Prea dent Web
1
2 adv[eed by You that thera #a # 4n 888488Inatlom plot In which #0 1
1 were [mpllcated and ha told You that ## don 't want any part 0t
It aud You ar0 co @end 8 m0s8e90 On hlg #uthor sayfng that ,
end tha € 18 whae You thought You had done?
Mr GoodwIn. T would phrage J0 8 Mfeele blt dleeerentiY ,
Senaeor, whfch {8 to Bay 8 would aay chero #0r0 People who
Vanted Co easaesInata Trujillo to whom #0 had given 4cm0 quna
and hfe reaponbe wab probably Mk8 , mean Bome Jdloe geva
them gunb? 18044, Yob . Me 8a Id 4 * thfa 19 4 Paraphfase
1 0
1 1 You Know , 12 You knaw Sanacor Kennedy , or Preeidert Konnedy
{ Mean , ha Ba id , Yell, l08' 8 make It clear . And 10 You cotpary
J2
my draft wIth che Seatu nepartmen€ draft, I Web overriding . a$
12
thay point out, becdus0 thelr drafe Beyb, w0 re tryina to Get
1 6
chie m0ss89e through but 40 blockad by Xtr Gooduin and hava
6
18
to send hg me880ge Inatead _ Thoy would rather bleme me , 0f
16
courae, than the President.
1 *
It 19 cleer chae ehe ser0se 10 changed to make I€ clear
1*;
1 that the Preg[dent wants noehing Eo do end cannot condona
0 4ss6s9Inatfon . It doeg not say cennot condona belng caught
agga99ination, It B4ye carnot condone 49g409Inatlon. Andl .1 Jid
that nec4us 9 ha told Me Eo do that_
Tho Chalrman. And havo characterized eha Kannady
pol fcy 0 8 one of qettlng the qovernmant no {urehar Involve !
2;
b#caus# there had baen 4 pae t Invol vanant? Ile Know that an!
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knaw ehe€, €0 the extent tha € Weapon# had been {urnfshed
You
1
2 dfgs dent groupa
who had expresead an Intereet In 48b8bbin4ein7
1
Truffllo. And Your Intention hare In Jendlng ehfe telegram
#a# to convey t0 Mr . Dearborn that the Kennedy AdnInistration
wanead no furthsr Involvemene In chlg m4
Goodwin. Tha &' a right. we found 34
ehe Pres[dent
6 Mr
found oue on May 13th that purbuent Eo tha authorf ze€Ion Ehet
hie coming Inco offIca the€ 0 couple o2 carbInea and
procaedad
trangferred In order €o Mount 0 meJor ab94u] €
Platol8 had beon
thae had lested {or chfrty Yeare , and 10 beenar}
10 On 0 governman€
48 cha t pont 14ke 8 formidable threat to Trujllloa
1 Ile wanted to make It abbolutely clesr Yhan he {ound ou€
who wanted to #88888inata Tru)illo In the DomInIcan
1 13
that anybody
c
cha€ they Hero golng 60 do Jt on chefr own , the
14
Republic
would have nothing to do #lth It and #0 give out
1! Unfted States
:
no more Woepon8 ehis 19 why he 864d Wa do not Yane Co
1(
or ba assoclatad with It. And eha € 8 why
)
coadone 488499[nation
I Hroct the tolugrem cha € I drafted that' 9 In My handwrtlng.
Sanator Towar. Ne) } may 3 aek You, than , Vhae You 1
the meaning ot tha {irse seneonce In number 3 ,
0 Icterpratted
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~Contlnue to Inform dlsgldent #lemente 0f U.S. support
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thoir posieion?"
Ware m 4
thefr poaftlon 44 9 that . what
Mr Gooduin, Thay
:
; that Trujllo ehould h0 ovarthrown and raplaced
they rogardad
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Na aupported that Posftion, 4 # t8d
by 4
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the other membars o2 che Organfzaeion of AerIcan States , ana 1
2 ## wanted to Make I6 very cleer that we did #upport that
PoeItion , and #0 wlehed Eham w0l In thelr efforta to #atabllen
that poaftlon and 12 they d1d wB would recognfze thefr govern"
Dent and send them 888[0tence, whlch w0 Jid.
6 ^b 0 matter o {ace, WB took much greater erforee €0
2 get rid oE Ram[ee Truffllo In the six montha eha € {ollovad ehe
0 48Ba#0Inatlon than anyehing that preceeded It, Includlng bring
9 the Norican {leet Practica!ly Into the harbor at Culdad
J0 TruJfno at the dfrectior of the Secretary of Dafan8e. Inbeea,
14 cf carbines and Plstol8 , wa brought In deatroyars , #Ircrete
13 cerriorb and Marine batta]fona 80 that would krow wha €
8 ) : tha consaquencea nlght bb ([ they dfdn't ge oue when they Go
C
1 + ou€.
16 I: I mIghe make One Mor# Polne Senetor, 10 I may , 10 that
:
Jc ehe couneries 0f Soueh nerIca Er0 full of gunb B8n€ there
17 by che AerIcan government to be uaad Co kIi thoubande of
JF People over the lagt geveral decade8 , and #leh eho Jona
11
Jv #xceptlon o f both revolutionaries from underneaeh and armi0s
:
{rod on top of coura0 You: r0 well-acquaintod Wleh tha €
s&nt knoxing that they would be used €o kIll people Jn Ineerta]
% struqgles. Th$ only alatinctlon In thig c4sa 19 thae Trujfllo
22 happened to be the head 0f State, whfch 19 4 practica]
Aatnction, but you' could hardly make 4 mora ] one.
2" Senator Daker. Mr . Chafrman, could { aak 4 quastion In
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2 The Chafrman. Mell, I am not Bure 1 @9roe With ehee;
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1 Senetor Baker. Are You telling 48 , Mr_ Goodwln, ehe€
$ 298688Ina€ior , not 02 heede o2 Btat0, pue 888880Inatfon 08
lesser {Igur0b 468 0 common,ordinary Occurtence In South
7 AmerIc4 8 € the baheat 02 AmerIce O5 #th Amer Icen] bupport?
8 Mr . Goodwln. No , 1 am tlkIng about tha € 40 supply 4tm}
to revo]utionary groupb or to grouda whlch #0 01d In
10 #ay Do){via , or sometimed to tha government Ies0]€ , or In Chfle
11 40 geva eeeletance o2 varioub kinde €o dlabident grouds #leh
12 the knovledge chae onr 888istence would be ub0d In Interne }
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4 Hr . Coodwin . Welle thore are gradatione , #lehouah I do
5 think tha t Many of the actfvities agaInst , Bey , bombonb 14k0
6 Allende or otherd are equa ] ly targetted In Latfn AmerJcan
7 couner[08 and not Just genara [ con 1ct Or the Xn] o2
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particular Le Mexicene , of:courbe, eraditiona[1y 90 out and
shoot down leadere 02 Dew guerrflle grouna or Ineurqont#, but
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In any eVent , X do want to return to thf?.
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Instruceion?
Ar GoodwIn. Noe Co my knowledge.
(^ brfef r0c089 Web eaken. )
The Cha Jrman , Do You have any more quest lone ?
Xr Schwarz. % don " t have any more queatlone.
1 Tho Cha (rman. Do You heve any other ma tters eha€ You
1} cen Ebl) 48 about che Trujillo 888888 Ination for our en]Johten-
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8 Mr . Goodwin. On the as8a9sInatfon ?
1 4 The ChaIrman. On the a83883Inetfon .
19 Mr , GoodwIn. 1 don t thlnk 80 , but Jet me raad ehrough
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Thb Cha [rman. Mr . Dann In, chay = V0 been 17 4]1 nlghe,
would 1Jka €o ask Ewo quaariors.
Dann [n. Wa ] l , whan You 86$d thara Ker# no Mora :
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whol& matter a} dlscugged _ Initially Wfth Vica Pre8idant
Johneon praa Iding and ultimataly, the Jast onb, wieh Prebidens
Kennedy.
Mr Goodwin. The € 0 right. Ne had , 0f course , 0 #erfe8
of emergenclas . Na had an emergency meeting, and cabled Eho
Pru8 [dene Vho 4ab In Parfe , and the {rat mttor on Our mInd
10 4a d how :o kbep Ramfas Trujillo, who Waa ehe 802 0{ TruJflo,
Irom taking ovar , and W0 didn'€ know #hare he Ve8 , at {frat ,
3 It took 08 awhflo to €ind Ou€ ehae ha 48 Jn Par[s, Khfch ak
8 13 least Indfcated , Sena tor , the € I chey Vere planninq 4€, f€
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18 4ab In Parig and We wanted to stop hlm from returoing , €o
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1 " had already chartered an Mr Franc0 Jet and Wue on hls way €o
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1 blufe him of f by send ing m69saqes Eo che plane In { Mght,
8 Jivartirg 1t to BOM& AmarIcan aIrport, but he dJdn ' € do that .
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2 our po] Icy {rom that poirt on W4s how to Jet him and hfg unc|0 ,
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1 2 various Inducamente Ilke ha could €ake hle money oue , I€ Wab
1 dlacuesed che € 1f he would leeve peaceably, bue whet {Ina]ly
happaned #48 whan MCNamara moved ehe {leee Jn Over Eh$ horlzon
an Mlr Farce Genora] bombed Eha pelace, eha € War tha end
ha got On hle boe€ and Jore.
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Ite declded the € Wa9 an eafer target than tho Amertcan
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1] Tha ChaIrman. Naa tha bombing dona 6 & our Inaeruceion?
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}6 4 threat Eha€ 1f they dldn € gee O4€ 40 miqhe Como Jn and Gat
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J2 attempted Eo do thee, jus€ Eo bcera ehem. And ehe fl00t 488
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Wuc ehig Mr Forca Genera [ did , and then he trled Eo nake
hlmge]f AIctator and *wo o f his own officerg arresead hlm . ~hay
0}} had bean tralned In Mer Ican milftary achoole .
Mr Schcarz. To compleee ehb racord on che raspoiisa co 8
2" the telesram Wa had Dearborn 8 raaction. Ie wfi read Into
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the record the cable back {rom ehe CIA Chlee o Sttion In
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on Prosant pol Icy Jn whlch KUDARX " 4 M tha €' @ CIA 4 D "work hare
mua t be baged . Para 2 Para 5 , that reference , ere (or
practice] Purpobes retreat Erom pr&vlous polIcy . llowever
#eadquarters awara 0xEent €o which ODYOke" cha € {8, the (nfted
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0 Mr , Snothera?
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2 revfeved. Me re not Intorcsted In any lnd o2 ercrafment . Na
vant You to be fully #Were of #heeovar documanea€ion #0 have
80 You can help elIghten u8 02 Your UnderatandIng 02 ehe
pollcy 0€ the time.
Mr . Goodwin. And whetevar 1 bring I can give €o You and
then duplicete 16.
Mr . Schivarz. Well, ohe)) #6 Plen , for Ba { eey. on ehe
Btaf{ bee{ng You On Wednaaday morning and heving Your teseimory
10 Hedneadey a€Earnoon , Or could You be here by Tuesday?
1) Mr . 'Goodwln. #ell, eince I'm goirg €6 Rumford , MaIne
12 getting tha chInga out, I ehink I6 0l11 be Bf0r Wednesdey ,
6 1 13 eha€' 8 not too Inconvenfent.
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14 Tha Cha Irman. Wedregday?
1" ^I righe. Thenk You vary much.
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