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met him, I only sJw him on the TV: a few months azo , he looks
8 2 like a broken jcan , he did that anyway . But he was a
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4 MR OLSEN: To use the house term , he was a spook?
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MR MARCHETTI; Yes . He was a very exotic character.
6 And ali kinds of stories float around about Jim Angleton Ana
I am Sure that- some are nothing more than apocryphal and some
8 are pure rumor
9 What intrigued ne about this Runge thing is that
10 subsequently another reporter and this time the guy identi
11 fied the 'Man he: had been talking to the man he had been
12 talking to was Bill Harvey , who was one of the people respon -
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0 13 sible for exposing Philby _ in fact Philby. gives Harvey, the
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14 credit in his book under a pseudonym that Harvey said to
15 thiseiguyazonowyes , the Agency to this reporter yes , the
16 Agency has been penetrated, it may even be now he made somne
17 ponpagg Btatements of that nature But then when the guy tried
18 to dig deeper Harvey held him at arm $ length
19 MR . OLSEN : Who' is Harvey?
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Soviet efectors ara Deoplw who clain to h0 and have subse-
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3 MR . NARCIIRTEI: You nean fouml :o be illegitimate
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5 MR- CLSKN : No , found: to be legitinate defectors
6 well, either way ,
MR. MADCRFT?I: Well they woula turn up from tine to
tine. (Jsually I idn"t have an direct dealings . They were
handled the Clandestine Services . But vou Tould know the
(? ) 10 casa. There is the famous case of @ienevek (?) Mha @3_Ehig
ll Bolel iatelligence @@ricei} who said that he was a XGB plant i0
12 ela nolish sentiee and he is the one that manv on the
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14 of agents Within the [S Government. Eventually I got to the
15 poE %ege he Zs caking out 2ds in the rewspapers o the
16:. effed1 Enat he is the tsaravitch, he had survived the shooting,
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defecotrs whic 1 %0f1 helieve +0 he queskionahle as to whether
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3 :R. 'RCFZTI: Xo; 1s I say, I have no first han
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5 You remenber the @inev Rouse case?
6 MR. OLSEN: Yes. YQu mentioned tiat in your book, I
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MR . MARCHETTI: I Tvaa in the Agency at the tinel that
happenea_ but I knew practically nothing about it in the Agency
10 For one reason, I didn t pay any attention to it. I had no
11 reason to But it was after qetting out of the Agency.
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seem to work properly except in the US _ Ana I an wondering wha 7
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MR . ROETHE : You weren t referring to, any use of these
beams here in the US?
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But that is that system that people are talking about
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now , the laser people bugging system, where they can get a
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building across the street there and direct a beam here: and
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pick it up , It has become te popular in recent years, at
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MRe MARCHETTI: Yes.
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MRa ROETFE : At page 196 you refer: to monitoring of
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particular embassy_ Are you aware Of any activity where the
CIA was actually implicated in breaking into an embassy? You
have already talked about the Cilean Embassy .
8 MR . MARCHETTI: This was based on information Ehat was
availabe in the Houston Plan, which by that time- had become
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here in the DJS as; the FRI was not doing a gooa enough job?
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MR? ROFTHF : Do you know of any actual operations that
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