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2025 RELEASE UNDER THE PRESIDENT JOHN F_ KENNEDY ASSASSINATION RECORDS ACT OF 1992
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CLASSIFIED FAX
TRANSMISSION
ARRB
202*734-0080
To: Bany Hanrelson Date: Merch 31, 1997
Fex # 703-613-3060 Peges: 17, Including this cover sheet
From: Michelle Combs
Subject: DSET and DO Brlefing Questions
COMMENTS;
Banys
Attached are the final versions of tbe DSAT and DO brlefing questions: There era no changes in
te DSET questlons; Questions have been added to the DO list to reflect our conversation
March 19 and 20, You, of course, akeady have our detailed explanatlons for the eerlier DO
questions: Ifyou bave any questions or If there are any problems, please &ive me & call Ishould
be jn @ See you tomortow.
Michelle
day:
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HTLNNGUAL
1. What kinds of records might the DSET maintatn On the HTLINGUAL project? How
could theee records be queried?
Castro Aggageinutton Plots
1. What knds of records would TSD or other Offces of DS&Thave malntained on the
varlous Castro assagsinatdon plots? How might a gearch query be framed t0 Isolate
these records?
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SKTNK WORKS
A
Personal Memoir of My Years at Eockheed
BEN R, RICH AND LEO JANOS
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LITTLE, BROWN AND COMPANY
BOSTON NEW YORK TORONTO LONDON
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any 6m or by any electrontc @r
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ISBN 0316 742305
L Ickheed Advarced Deocioricent Corriy - Hlstory 2 Rlch Bea R
Caseer In aeronautlcs; 3. Aeronautcs United States
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Janos Leo: 0 Dde IL Tde: Skunk Works:
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by Litly Brown & Company (Canada) [mited
Prlnted tn the Unlted States of Amerlca
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OVERFLYING RUSSIA 158
or
The next thing we tried was something called a Selisbury
8e
screen, a metallic grid applled to the airplanes Undercarriege
dy in the hope of dedlecting Incoming radar beams, butit worked
0s
only at some frequencles and altitudes and not at othera.
Kelly thought It was more practlcal to try special tron fer
G
rite patnts that would `'absorb
a radar ' ping rather
bounce It back to the sender The paints Were moderately ef
fective but inhtbited heat disslpation through the atrframes
Xs
outer sktn and: we' experlenced overheating engine problems:
But the paint lowered the"radar cross sectlon by One order of
5
magntude; 8Q 'we decided to give it & ty We called these
specially patnted alrplanes "dirty blrds" and shipped the first"
one out for flight testing In April 1957. Our test pllot, Bob
Sieker; took the U-2 up to over: seventy thousand feet and
suddenly ,radioed that he
was experlencing rapid atrframe
heat budldupMoments later his engine blew out and.the face-
plate blew off Bobs oxygen mask &s his pressure sult in-
stantly inflated 'The U-2' dove stralght dow and crashed It
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took uS three to locate the wreckageand Bobsbody An
autopsy revealed that above seventy thousand feet he: had
suffered 'acute hypoxia and lost consclousness In Only ten
seconds: The culprit that ktlled hlm was a defective faceplate
clasp that cost cents:
The CLA was so desperate tobuy time for these Soviet over
flghts that Bissell got Kelly to sequester four of our test fllght
engineers and have them write a bogus flght manual for a.U-2
twice &s' heavy as-ours and with & maximum altitude of only
ffty thousand-feet that carrled only scientific weather gear In
its,bay The manual included phony instrument panel photos
with,altered markings for speed, altitude, and load factor
Hmtts: Four copies were produced and then artificially
grease; coffee Stains,and cigarette burns. How or }f the
egency got.them Into Soviet hands only Mr: B knew, and he
never told:
thab*+
days
ffty
aged
with
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Questiong for Follow-up DORecords Briefing
Aprll 1, 1997
1, At what polnt dld the DDP begin to records Of destroyed records? For
example, In a Cold Warrior footnote, Tom Mangold reports that as any of Angleton's
Ales were destroyed, "a complete record was carefully malntained about what had been
done: (George) Kalaris signed off on every fle and the DCI's office was notifled "
(P. 143) Where are these records?
2. Could an archdval gearch be run On specific topics for tettred records &t the CIA'8
Record'9 Center? Perhaps an ARRB staffer could be ptesent during the gearch t0 review
the abetracts and t0 suggest other fields or toplce to be searched?
9. Could a crypt gearch for records containing relevant crypts be run through
cryptographic reference? How would queries need to be framed and etated?
4 Why is It s0 difficult t develop a list for all personnel (official contract,
administrative; or TDY) assigned t0 the post referenced In RIF 104-10065-10199 from
1959-19642
5. Wehave been working t0 identfy all technlcal and eurveillance operatons In and on
the Cuban and Sovlet consulates and embagsles In Mexico City between September 1
and December 1, 1963. How can we frame a eearch query t0 determtne If we have a
comprehenslve and complete list 0f all operationg at that tme?
6. How can a search query be framed t0 document all electronlc take produced by the
Mexdco Clty Station In the Immediate wake of the eggaggination (the firet month) and
durlng the of Oswald'8 vieit? How Can We verlfy that what exdgts In the
Collection represents &ll records of the technical production that was
avallable at the tlme of the assassination? If additional records or Orlglnal production
still exists, where would It be stored or filed? What gearches could be conducted t0
retrieve any additional records? If such electronic take hag been destroyed, do records
exist of the destruction?
7. Could you describe the process by which operatlonal funds are proposed, approved,
recelved, and distributed (circa 1963). What funding and dlsbureement records exist?
How are they organized? How chould a request be formulated to ingtitute a reasonable
aearch of these records?
keep
SequesteredCdod _
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8. We have geen DDP monthly operational reports which contain information on the
allocation/ distribution of operational funds: Are there Other DDP records which would
reflect how certain projects utilized their funding? How are these records organized?
How should a search query be framed?
9. Various open sources have linked the CIA to varlous Joumallsts and publiehing
compantes during the 1960&. How should a query be framed to Bearch for connectiong
between the Agency and journalists or publishing companles?
10. Dld the Agency have any relationship, projects, or contacts wlth publishing houses
during the time of the assasginatlon and in the aftermath of the Warren Commission?
How would a search be formulated to determine whether or not the Agency had a
relationship wlth any of the same publighing houses that were also publighing books
about the aggagginaton?
11, How would a query be framed to search for flles on any office or person dealing
with organized crlme and Cuba? How should 4 requegt be formulated to Institute a
reasonable search On this topic?
12. I8 there a comprehensive record or list detailing the Identitles of Individuals on the
Interagency Source Register? How are these records organized? How can & search
query be framed to ascerteln whether or not a particular individual appear8 In the
Reglster:
13. How could a gearch query be framed to ascertain whether or not a particular
Indlvldual was glven access t0 classified Informatlon by DCD (then OO)? What kind of
files are assembied in the process of clearing non-Agency contacts / eourceg for access t0
classified information?
14. ARRB's Request for Additional Information and Record No. CLA-13, deted
November 1, 1996, contained the following questions:
What forms 0f backchannel communlcations were there between the
Mexico City Station (Including the COS) JMWAVE, or Headquartere
durdng 19632 By "backchannel" we mean, inter alia, any adminlstrative,
senior staff, or restricted access communlcations, or any Written or
electronlc communlcations other than regular cableg or dlspatches (of the
type included In theJFK Collection):
B Were there; In fact, any backchannel communtcations between the Mexlco
Clty Statlon (Including the COS) JMWAVE, or Headquartera the
time periods 27 Sept 16 Oct 1963 and 22 Nov - 30 Nov 19632
2
during
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To the extent that there were any backchannel communications for the
time perlods 27
~ 16 Oct 1963 and 22 Nov - 30 Nov 1963 (other than
thoge currently contained in the JFK Collection), please make 8uch records
available for review.
Why has It been g0 dlfficult to answer these questions?
15. ARRB s Request for Additional Informatlon and Record No. CIA-14, dated
December 23, 1996, documented our request for the annual or blannual Station reports
for Mexlco Clty Station for 1963 and 1964. Why hag It been 80 difficult to provide these
reports?
16. The attached Agency document released in 1996 containg the paragraph:
11. memorandum marked only for file, 16 March 1967, signed MD:
Stevens, say8 that J, Monroe SULLIVAN, #280207 Wag
granted a covert
security approval on 10 December 1962 90 thathe could be tn Project
QKENCHANT (Clay) Shaw hag # 402897-4,
What do thege numberg mean? What does the "A" at the ends of Shaw'9 number
eignlfy? Do the ftles Identlfed by these numbers still exigt? Why wag Sullivan granted
a
covert securtty approval?
17, During the 1959-1963,what was the purpoee or of QKENCHANT?
18. Under what circumstances were non-agency employees given covert gecurlty
clearances for the QKENCHANT project?
19: Did Clay Shaw receive a covert eecurity approval for the QKENCHANT project?
was one needed? Did Shaw receive covert security clearances for any
project other than QKENCHANT
20. What did Shaw do within the QKENCHANT project?
21. Do recorde exist to account for the dlsposition of all files on Shaw?
22 Did Howard Hunt have any Involvement wtth the QKENCHANT project prlor to
19647
23. Did J, Monroe Sullivan have any involvement with the QKENCHANT project prior
t0 1964?
3
Sept -
u8ed
period gOal
Clay Why
Clay
Clay
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24. The DO telephone directories list an Operational Services /Defector Staff beginning
in October 19597 What wa8 the Defector Staff? Did ithave an operational componenti
25. In the Period 1959-1964, Were DO officers,selected to_serve_overseas uder State
Department cover; legally congidered to be "members of the Foreign Service appointed
by the President with the advice and consent of the Senate?y
SECRET
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1, Bubjeot wae born On 17 March 1913 An New Oxlean8 ,
LouLalana:
3, gtandard baokground Antormatlon 0 BebJeee
(parente . maxtal 0Caeue , reaorde o2 0duaatLon ana
employnon€, ata,) Le LaokLng beaaude BaAW Wod 0 contaoe
Of the DonetLa Contaat BarvLce .
J, Traceb On Subjoot hava been run Ln RIDMMaln
Indax, the Indox of ehe OzELce ' Of Bacurt 6y ana the
Central Cover beaf8, rhe Oret ehowed only 8 1951 EbI
Intervlaw with BHAR_aboue 4 foruer Otployea o2 tha Naw_
Oxleane Intaratlonal Trade MaEta The gacona ehowad
ehat o/contaots PLvLelon had requeeted 0 name trace
'aboue 1949 and thae tha @hack 08 FBI reaorde then aont
duoted wae negetfva, Ceneral Covar Steff'had no reaora.
tpbt
4_ Soma o8 the O-B ropoxta basea On BBAN' 8
reportLng ara On band: they ate the Eo1low-ng: ~(It
Lo noted that ebe Bouroy depar-pton' LdentI#lap tho
bource by Job tLtza.)
'86 Oo-B' 47950, 36 March 1952, conoaxo
8 Jatter NrLtten to the ralaelone
alrector 0f the
'Intethactohata
Trade
Mart by Ona Dc: Jueta SCHALLER, 0 trade
caneuleane Eo the' Bonn Governmene. he
Jetter Le 8 Lollow-up 0f aLsols04ond hald
In Now Orleans Decambor 2951. The
latter Bafa that
{uzowzadeceodaaezos
end
Axpore @rado uere beLng advertLeed ana
Oocument
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far FOIA Revlw on
Dec 1977
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6tt taty to-atal
"Ucoee
Clay
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mwj Ilblaabed Bca E 10289d (JeX AOr)
MRA Zi =
D4i 20141,
~ Rtozt _
Pronoted by noit Goruen aaney . The
Wez_Wtezent Waez, publLehad
Laipe1ge To 7ov-61o Fe,ny Publ ghed
In Hamburg,; at' 4 Price muah. lower than
compatielve Voludab ,
b; 27 Baamber 1940 . Infosmaelon
4o7ulrad Dacembar' 1940. 8*Aw)(LdenELeled
By Job tlele) hae Agreed to 1eaeo to the
CBR 1,000 . Eaae 08 braze fox 8 27zz4
02 matahandt8o In Nov Orlaena The
Zeada One Yaar, beateing 1
Anzil
1949 -
00-8-4933-49 , Juna 1949, InfoxuatLon
aete Zate
A4
and early May 1949 , Rajuleb
O: 0 BIAW_mada In March through. May
1949 In Reee IrdLos _ Cantral AiarLaa, ana
Norehex, Goueh
Anzica:
a 00-D-4934-49, 14 Juna 1949 par9 ganerel
eubfeot ana ' beokgcouna 03 abova'
od-B-4935-49 , 14 June 1949 , 45 ubove .
4 29 June JCentrii Regul e0 o8 1
BHAH erLp 1951 In end .8outh
AmerLoa 0na eha Cartbbeen ax0a,
5 . on 9 May '4961 Caneral Ca 2 , Cabell, bhan DDCI,
adareaeed €ha Foranen Polloy Asaociatton OE Naw Osleans ,
It 18 beLJevad tha6 he Nqa Ineroduoad by CLay 8BAR.
6 , On 1 Harch: 4967 th4 WaghLngton Euaa Perirted
that GartLson haa axxebeea BHAN and hea P@bLlo
charges thae SHAR , FERRIE , OSNALD, and oeher? nad {j88otted
the aesa80InatLon In the apartment o8 FERRIB at
DoulaLana Parkray , New Oxleang , SHAM 8a40 'that ha
newar saw OSINvAID: Re Aeniee hevIng the name]_Clay
BBRTRAND: Jack 8 , MARTIM 8ald thae ZERRIE had mneLonad
2
Sur
P" raato
6o-e-928ie
for
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00-2-354371n
ha
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2*C KblanetY} PER f,L ' Joe890 (rX Acc)
MR ZZ=_
DAia
124j51.
~E857 =
SRAR to hLm. J:. Monroe BULLIVAN , axeautLve #trector 0t
eha 6an Zranc.eca WorId "Trada Coneer, +o1a the AdoaLated
Pse0d What SKN wbb Ln 8an Pranelbco and toutlng the
Canter uIeh ALm On the o2 bhe eepa88KnaeLon , BKUAW ,
now raelrad, was Eormaxly tha managing dLrector 08 che
Interatlonal Trade Mart In Osleane . %e La Ehage;Ea 84
Old. Raneoy . Clark, 0,8, attomey aaLd tha
RBI had LnveetIgated SIAF lato In 196) = 'Souna; "Yaderce
that Ehe SBI has , thaxe wad no
connootion
wIeh the
aabab0-natJon ,
Vmorandum No. 04-67 , J Marah 1967, from Ch-oz,
Now
Oxieans
OfELce_ to DLrector, DomeauLa Coneaae SoxvLae ,
r0 SKLAR .
80 Ao GLro€ GOneace O2 the Nou Oxleeng OzELco
Of the DCs wlth Clay GHAR occurred An
Dacomber 1948_ A nam eheck request V10
roturnad Lnfo" On 23 March 2949 . sHaM1
weI contaotee M . Runter Ieke 02 the
New OrZeene
8481
Q0 BoVOn elurb In 1949 ,
tulce In 1950 , {Lva tImeg In 1951, nLna
eLng In 1952 , onca In 1959, EwLc0 In1954,
twlce Ln 1955, and twIco In 1956 . 8HAw
Ls bhe bouxcd @2 alght 00-8 reporte BWb-
@teted by cha New OrLoenb OEELce , Ae One
tlma ho nad ehe "Y" 'namber 145.1. nha
Lat contaot]_tookPlaca 0n 35 1956
On 33 Jenuary 1967 Jaak 8 . MARTIKPhonad
eho New Orlaans OEfLce , BaId ehee ho WaB
workIng on 01] Lmportant undercovex daal
Eor: Gettlson end Datacttva Ioule IVON
und Wae]CallLng at Ivon' 0 requaet: Ko vad
eulling_ to a0k the hoad 0f .bhe CIA OEE1aa
telophono IvoN on hLa uILetea number:
No suoh CAlI was made _ tho writer, Dloyd
A, a0ka ehat tha General Couneel pa
snforuad ad that ha prOVida advLca .
Dndeted : ahd uaLonad momorandum
Produced by cx/n 6 ^) tho followsng addiELonal
ma tLon Wab provIded by ehe Now Orleen ofelca 6f DCS ,
467
An
dey
Naw
Ganezalkon
"no
Mey
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ReroakD AT T+e Nationlat Archives
A4
Sincv 25 Mlay 1956 "r-E Hubt Med ,Jean S1Aw casually,
bx Eenco , ln 'Various aanntoun Dw Oslocno roctausanto;
and -grnatingo Yar'* 0*.2h37002. Zha Jact Guch cazmnz
cncourtor wog 046 bazora SCAM' & Zolizcdont 19 1065 2
07 7 breh 1967 Psnude publZchad en nftiolo
airlcd ~Clay Sn0w 08 Lha arh datolincd "Ror? Xorch
1,67 Writtan .by Va ariukov , 280 azticlo chargad tneF_
CIa DRus, ube or Chlo Jotvices 02 Cley Sinw fo= CZX'& cm
Lntorades In Itily- To Prerce plecu Rotuc that' clc Da
1n %ow Orlqana 1# accuciaa 67nt 02 pareelnation 10 coc
0 nonojoInation' conaplracy" It ca88 SKAN Gnont "0onQm matrz
43 Po7? 47 4 Morld Zrado Certor Oadaz Ic clains Crct
tha Cantor wab 0 Covor Go tinnnofng #nee Cojmlniot' activity_
CIM g*va alypctivoe to, SIAN E To Morly Trado Cuntor wad
branon 08 # Zotnldcii"" (pic) , #~nlch aovodorors [0
Suiezorland Oponly tCeu7oe 60 crioinal Oporationca
8 # ? (Corejata I6 ars tmb0ll 02 th0 Erard eharged: Are
un67Q 620070
"Zhaetencta
Vad CIR-Giat SSfacionshep" 80
04 a8,La knoun; SWax VAd #ovor agxed 60 Mca hlc Iclation-
'3h4p Hieh pho! Mozla Tradd Centar {07 Glandoseica Puzpobad
ura, La Sace, ha hac not baon 1r Italy )
10 Ktmorandun frob EJe Metah
1967:cubjoote Jtalfon Arzoto or Gho 3777 ^5tes
PXb usmie#r tolb %ot 2 3.Yarol; 1649 hee 04 A-Lolu
Aoue Bram 67636Inadon
4
Gna, Eha, Mosid_Eseda Contar:
Concains Mo +oldvane Infortatlon
11 0
0 raaezandpm Zarked only Jor ff10, 16 Mareh 1967
0
D ~Rtoyend Boyd, thzt J Foirod SuiLIvA" 0200707 =
Wba Genncaa covart #qqutity Gopropal Qn 20 cecanbor 1962
36 tnat ne Gobla be Uaad In Projoct OXeMcaMT . SUAl hco
007027F
17 {Mororandum fron
~uM JAabtn 24 #arah
1957 Gubjoae: 8e Rood rdalts 87 Porconc Conncotod Kitm
br0 463d210 Comtcrclolo (Kozid #Foda Conte?) Sil0d
Soldor Cloy siAv woralng 0*jozo.
Gi0
Clay
jaad
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Kalaneeo !ca E1; 10re80 (JBE Aor)
Same MR Zr
DAI | Tidiig, 0.# .
belz- cayy_
QK reeGar_
~r
BInca, 33 May i956 M;. Huntar' Iaake had Baoh 8HAW casuaLly,
by chenca In varloug dowm totm Ney Orleua rebeeurehEI ,
and
groetinge
Vare axchanged. tno last Buch Carual
oncountar wae Ju€ ba Eora BHAW' 0 seeLramnt An 1965.
9 On 7 Mereh 1967 PublIohed m1 ixtLola
QaLZea "CIAY Bhew O:..eha &4 Ront 6 Hareh
1967 , WsLeEan by V, YBRMAKOV , Tna ertlclo ahasced ebae;
CIA Made 400 OE tho poxvIaoa % Clay SDAH for: CIA'& Owm
Intesoa€e In jTealy. Tne PEyvda Plaoa noeos that ha DA
La Nev OxZaana 1 agouaLng S7V. OE Partlo pielon In @ho
480a80Lnaelon , congpLraoy . Ie Shaw_epent "goaa
Ln Roua 40 8 Horla Trada Canter
:*Yeagbay
Ie clalco
ckaro"
ehe Centar wa0 & Qover for rinaalng aneL-ConcunLje aeeJvIGY .
CIA gave ` dLractLvee to BBW _ The Worla Trada Caneor Wed
branch. 08 "Pesuldax" (ato) "whJah the nawbpapacc In
Swlesarland_openly Aocuaea 62 'orteLnal `oporeELone
(Commanet It aprraxu thae all o2 tho Pravda chargex 0x0
Werue, excQpe' that ehora Va8 4 CIA-BRAM FaTaeLonbhLp: B0
Tar 20 Le snoun, BHAw Wab navar ankad Eo Wo nLo relaelon-
WIth eh0 Morld Trada Coneor {or cLandaseLno Puzpoao0
and, In &act, he; har noe baan In italy.)
10 _ Kenprandum Etom CIBUNVI Eo C/cI/R 6 1, 0 March
1967 coubjace: Tealla Apaete 08 ehe Clay 8haw Affalr.
The d0lle 6erc o 5 March 1967 hae e]artLole
aboue U105 , , 22 4.T InaEJon nd Bhe Horla Trade Center,
Conealne no' salavane Inforweion_
11. ^ MKdrandum marked Only for (Ile , 16 Heroh 156?
Smoa M:Da Beavand _ 0ayb Bhae J Monroc 8uLpIVAN 1280305 .
Vra granead , 0 povere drcurIEy ] "PrrovaxA On 10 Dcetber 1962
40 that ho 'could ba Ug0d Ln Projace CJeNaiaNt, BHAM Aaa
1403097-^.
12 . Banofandum Erom CIEuR/I to c/cr/R & A, 24 `Marah
4962 ,; Eybjege: Trada Rasuleo On Paxeon8 Conneated %Ltn
Cenera Mand-alo Coarelala^ (Horla Trada Contas)
0
{LLed
CI/t 0 ^ {oldere , Clay' SUAR E
workLng papara .
I
Eeevd_ arined
phlp
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#rorLT
Tha 5: Mareh 1967 Jbuue 0f IL Maoe {naze
LInki 8HAM wLth the Nosld 57EaG
Othora 1Inked to . Chocahtar Nare' eraced,
wIeh Fesulta. roported Lr_thLe: hamrandwm:
No ralatLonahip to tho CarsLbon
Invegtigaeion
'appaare hore . ^ on "ParuLdex"
8u1p0 , doxporaCton
repert 96n81p3, 8;riees
Jn Rome , 19 aLgo Ln `tho #Lle because tbe
Worla Trada Centar and .PeraLdex ara
abdOclatad, AgALn , thaze Lp no Lntorat-on
here Mlch relatob 9ag Ecapeia to tha
Ca60 GartLaon Le tryLng to In New
OrIoane_
13, che Waeh_ngton Eoat' Out-ook 2 AprL} 1967 ,
"Boaking Truth In New: Or)6we 0 Zho Madle Oc 6ho
NLghe", doorge Berdnar, JI.
0 GarrLeon 0 Man aroye Rosbo to SHAR' 0
Freneh Quertor homg , Ros80_Poaed 48 4
Mueual o& Omdha Balaeman: He xnocked a8
door, SHAWanewored. Russo aa18 that he
Vab CIem BERIYRAND.
b SILAR Le 4
54-year 0ld bachelor *and
goalalite who Ploneezed eha J3-tosy
InternatLonal Trada Mare Ln Naw Orleane .
Ile wad ~ubpoenaad by GatrLaon ' 0 oeelee
on 1 Mareh 1967 . Aceoxalng to hie {sLonde ,
hio g4est_onare `4Ld not advlee hla 08 hLe
righ €e ; told hih_ghey had AvLdanaa
OE 4 raeEIng wIeh FERRIE and OBWIAID .
There Ve a cuba ena EWAW weo arroeeed
ana boxked on conapLracy to murder JPR
thae nLghe GassLeon '0 Gan raldad BIIAW'0
apartmont ad ronfLboated whtpe @haLne,
4 black not cap < 8 Oepo ed hooda Rubbo
told reportere that ho dLd not know Clay
SHAM , but he LdenEL_Led the q2n arrebtea
by Garrison 48 Clem DERTRAND-
5
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exce wtuld there not be some benedt pouabbly m dvmg h tba aall tho bana ' Wrote # lettr- Be nover tame tct;
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Mr; Duzta-I reallee' tbet ont nt W prearlbe bard aud: taat rulez Eeirratattne Fta "@ul 7a tell 5 h4bi more detanl tto perrie tbet
thet thete Iy & bruad ringe & dlrrreliou tbat choold be exutlard here Bat I 7o4 Inloned & procedud tat jou cirtted &t bn you Artt Into tbo
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tend 1 redect what Ja bot at te maneat jou trors and f jou haraa't had Mr Dui It was ie d tbe day, perhaps atout Vcock ` tb 4 trouble Mtt somethlng lor 0 Ftby bnc tme I tendu mayba not &0 rt 0 te amarabebon; It may bave baeb"torowbat earler; becaiue I tlt
metlona I renember ] -Vent boze Ior an bour_end ten cno bacr @ &rry out thic
Reppertattve Fo If Orwald bad perdsted that dal October &1, Jn d augnzeot Mr; _Ball orce It herre Lzova that Oswald had ene hlebory
nanding the torta that % & perequledte under Ipur delaltioa Ivr Reinncletlon delectar GeoRCe Ball
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Reresentative Fora: Dora Snyder.hare_tba authorltz t mako # detertna- Reetentati-e Fora Ee #tl}l had tona autboritya 8
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Mr: Onarta No; he dceent tare the authority t male & dcternlatiun ot on Oswald, and I prepare & report to beavalable Ior hin tbe #rst thbg h the
cpuetence and I suppuee Je Je maettle at ima point to be Ieque Lrled In marplng torering 40 best-te conld withle that uma #pan te contatia #at
court Brt I thlor 2 'contalar uilrer would probably be uctlog rithin hda Osmald bad with tbe Denartnet
dlecretlon I he &w enbody who waa druat o cavng & wunething and just We tbe paastoort fle; We rot the searrity: &ice ale We got tba reclal
sald; " Well I a not Foing to eve you tbls untll [ am mro tbat jour actlon Is sonrular gervicee hle which crercd Mra Owalg"Vla)ARd the_Fepatriatian
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returned &t & time rten tbe qiice 5ea oet_end bad pereleted in bla danand and Copaular-Adalra
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Repredentatlve Fua The only techndcel ntaatu &r haea uion vhlch Bariler Novanber?
cald bave denled Ogwald * calt thal,day Fas tba fact tbat It 7at Qu Mr: Onara, Tba %d; jear:'
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quade bha pot to act & perenade htu to thlek # orer and cme bact tbe next Mr Out No;
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