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14-Q0000 104-10232-10018] 2025 RELEASE UNDER THE PRESIDENT JOHN F_ KENNEDY ASSASSINATION RECORDS ACT OF 1992
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Tha Foctfn: wJth Vra #lco on Ctubor 16 L7 # rontcuncd [ron JOiOO
wall auch tle 00 blo JlifXcnca tr inuted "ith cnllosl Swllran. Ho
AItived #t 5 Toor_ #t abt JQiS0, Hu dockumca Lla & tlxo CarttNJ%s] hd
Lpl Man he lowrmd ttr dotuIlu or Ute wurfering o Uo Culmno at tha
timlo 0[ Cablro} dclurd thwut Uio ArchbIalop of A Jaf:! vuan/t dolng
onouvt for tke Cubnn TC {)a,ae9 / Wu& t}o U.9, Yuun't Jolng onouxth [or
ehop} liwa} Custro Fwnt 6 ovorthruw, Mro tola: Uld Cardlnal twl Ip
4ll LaeIn Arorici ttorc LoN Eolm; W 1 Ora rItod acla of gyrpathy
for to Culn jufforero , Tho CardJnal ea Jd Ix coulti *4y 8 Hudo ror
Ndd Cd Gtobor 17. Ho Jmfed Mro to 000 Ko 4t am) tNr0 .
KJro alulorod [y (iWry 80 t tha Laconiu # (NIrs ty sltlng ehae
1t Yaj Vary @uCcejoful) 2,C0 pooplo Mro Jnofato tko nultoriu; en}
anolber ] ,OX Fao'-lo oulufdo) tmnt Luccrit hac rrolvd uoh ` appluuea.
To (nt"r-Nrerlean Prooj ApdockutIan affaIra Mlto td gIvon an
opportunJ ty 1o nrosent tho Cuban trneedy . Hbo {n 1 that (P Iro) had
mole bov FIdto ] hd] altot 31 @oplo In Soptonbor Jono, am "Wjer %owllb
had dodcrJbud hov Cctinlac: Va? GaJalng #roun] by thua€ Jn
Cuba havo Inetn)led n Dolorau radJo JetIcn trcedcuatLog t Lutld
4rerIco} ehut ton counlrlce have Lrvkon wJth Cubu, Lut Areenllna
mt; U1t avarybody J0 dunnused,
B Intorwed %0 ehat 00 for lho docimontj rolatlng 1 the Cuban
ploto s Argonelna , lhe Arrontlne r[lltry ror cIF0 W talk t Varom
am t Bavo thor bcn0" dnouranls lhat hare m Jartanco , Tho offIcoro
eold Yerana cartlu)ly ro hmve no confidanco Jn the ara neInd Forolga
OcfIc, naverthclode , when lhey arrIved thoro turnad]Ovor Uho
docuoata + tho YoreIcn OrfIco , Eul thow dcurnts had no Jerrortanco )
ehe; Vofe Ecroly 1 .olongtru tt Ua ' thoro Imc tesn an oxtradIion of
dccuanta, am lkt wro orlsJonlo. Tho Ji rortunt accw onto 0r
bold ly Varomu In Klael ,
MLro eaJd also Vloul!wd anothor nct spralving Lacorua Jn
Klanl , Sut that bls "ud InJotra EJvo" buleot roal}y cooa mt "rovide for
PropJ -arcu actfv]eloa (ouch 03 Uwo Cit:rogl SD Lm: Lacunia 4ffatra), I
Coualrodthut IC Ku] Gnbldord tbat }s bedebt 0b suffIclont for hlo
@ ccndict G0 propacanda actJvftloe) obtlously pothfns o. eJor
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Ylso doolared Lhee Intorna) (TozAEarda] end clandoetIna: action An
Cuba crxld pot 6 dolayod aI0 Jonzor, 1 aprded]on le necoaa1ty, am
te 16 60 bolIovod that poajurod R5O RaoodbgY 6 foront Jn Cubo
tho 0708ILI0p t Caotroa MTto {0031 0To eceInat hke/" deolared YIro:
'But: Ucrea0 {to" 1 angvorod, KIro Uoe Ittod "If en1s acefon doeon"0
oier: Irer tho ConuoJo (CRC) mt 00 0o :mojondent aRonoy, bul In
Olooo mjntact UIth yuu (Uzo Aconcy ) , tat W0 {ortont lo & outpleb
dlaordet Sn Cuba, an 0[lorvarca no Zovertant' can bucoed} soo64ly ,
1( 0 do rut havo 0 contral plan, atd carr IL Qut voll In 4 EOI) Or
Jogo Ifexgad ;rlod 0[ tlua_ uhoro %Lil rorely to [.oro btootIng o
pooplo (7rioonere) by FJdol,
"Ard thle 1o ry InoLstonco , Bv I er: ufrald t 80 1 KJb3la Btmt
4d 1 & tll tha paoplo thoro? wlt & ; :07 Convoroa? Yeamt:Ilo tho
Acanoz ebopo on Infiltrating pepla Ln Cuta but dleconnuctad frot tbo
Cowpoll , I vaj told In ry Oonvoroaetod #ith ehe ProgJdont to 0B0l1S]
the greteroblp In tho Condajo, I ravo oedoavorod to d thato Iq tw0
Couctl Uter MrO othor Ctbat OTRADIEA &200b dolegatee from Jact: O2 1o
oreanIzatjons that a0k 50 for 0n. ~yrecItb , thlng?, apd I U5 {iato
Polorlo8o: Therofore I I wt vork MIv, J*J Paople Jn ordor 6 000 bou
M 14J %erd OpBr 0ru9 anc 0 Dlan o acbssiu D0 Gey 006 that tbto &
not Eetec} en endloda derLoo .0[ patatsve Actjong_ I rpllod ".0ll, I
bollcve tbat 0 Loll-korkod-out plan M40 aovd cbancor cf Cuccedo
v1ll 0 {avorably copaLdorod,"
"Bqv ubout arca for eho Bocarbttt}' boked MIroa I repkled that
1t war r7 underetandIng that 4rOB for vk Escanbrey could only 6o
landed oc the Rorth Coast} hov thop sl: tsey [0t to tha Eacar brez?
Mlro b4 tat the boaf vhloh had FAMd 25 trJpu (worklng for Iou))
suld br + entablIoh cartunlootlon e5: {Lnd out whon tnoy_ vould plck
Wp thc ar0} wat cannot bm doma * J0 a*4-/0] Ouvuldo Ren Lros Jp 01
BItuatLsa 02 enruteb bacauud ho J9 *0 culy real regional foous of
rebletarc thu & thero Jo tbore, and to tas teon roally Jort Au 8 deapareta
01tmntlon [or thcee Eonphaa
I setorpoded that thoro poerod Oae queetIon ebout lbe ' pefor fror
Ranlrer eakIng for 4rmo, Mwther It Les U6 roal thln;J @Perrectly
Jdant:Eed" 70pIJed YJro, wXs a3sre: &tet Jt Js porfoctly Idortirtod and
requaa*3 Cato Cota lo 1 throuzh dlz?erert channelo &akIng for taomo ATKO,
I 05 BLl VaIting pov for 4 sonth e*: 0 &lf, AJl You havo * do 1o . tll
49 the Feans f Cellvery, tha poo-lo 1 Ooptact and thon (lfvor to Ou
Cutans ta #rr8, dynat1t rucuo, I 07 Be1ll walting, end eritlcle (0f
Cubano &q:n8t inxotion) Jnorode0d ca'1j."
'4ll &bo dolegatlono o rovolutteta ? €Toupo I0 tba Counctl g To
for BIED er cbang for fJghtlng . But I ennot provIdo thop)unyttAng.
Koant[lo tbe ageroy J0 Infiltrablng Ioto Cuba uIthout count [r3] op
tho Corsojo for anytl;Ing , ThJo Jt {eo 4n abourd pobtlon Droly
'cowcll pa Inted on tho #ull," [ Mr DeIc, "{ook {or Boddoda ole #I I
D not ecraIdorod ablo 1 dq eho Job tut L8 eut Lork, I bavo) copfIdonco
Io tbo AbonoJ, but [ cannot' rork j t1.Js fabhlons"
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'I'va agked for poney for tho clandogtine groups . whut have thoy a1d
ahout thut?e Niro adked, I re:] od 007 thore Js 2 probled of the reana of
deliverJ , tnnt tho Itallan @ beggy at preaent uppeerg undeofruble . Tbe
Acbasdor Jan't thoro _ Lo Jook for anottcr 5e@Dy; the ArgentIne
anyth thoge peonle naod onoy" ha countered, I haro t CArT) out con-
crete thdnge," he doclared AI'r now 1fke 6 Foraon in 0 JkLc: pool
ulthout Ye ter." #For threo an 4 half Bontha I've Jrusglod to cintaln 2 revolutionury @plrit, My rilltary roopla aro vaftlng +1ll I urrIved and
tell 0 thlu Luat te done , tnn + muat be dcne fothIng rot} Ard WIthout
eny ~lan, I don't Eo unywhere ; novhoro !
#Tte other Llca I Btn6 Uith J eyea cloged, throuzh fafth. Xo hed 0 faJlura and the fuflure foul upon N;-T cannot proceod unier auoh circu -
etanceg In no vey I've 4akod for-850,000 to se nd In to the unlerground ,
The Fussjang Aro apondIng LO,(OO In projarunia and havo lepa than t he
U.S. xo arell not oonproc I30 to U.S. Tol} re tho vay to %end It In. The
Counotl J9 to @ld not rorely to conduct reetfnga."
'un that roquest hsven' + renlled anyt+ 20 ho aaketl _ 4 anlorad
that or thlo Iten I had wuca know NIro' 9 doglre , tut that 30 far not:
hed ber rouolved
"I'@ not cor nlns ," ko stated, Pbut for t hree roptha I hevo baon
askAns a COr - Jct VIth the authority to rebolve Why? Bocauae I'm
GettIng Doxhara Xen I return nov I 0ball be asked, "Kow #bout 1t?m an
Eust #n8car, 'You VIll have to Valt beceuga 1 ht Po rcth And ceanwhLle
tho Agoncy kaopo on InfIltratIng poople Into Cuba Inorendent of the
ConseJo . Let go back . NIthout te In ugreoront, I cannot a0rv0 You:
I have Tio Antorogt In preelding ovor e Councfl tha t J9 of DO 420
I poloted Olit tll & the Couroll cust oontinue to exlst, KIth 03 Ite pregldent, 20 tho coordInat body 0f' the resIstance roverent, but
that thare are cartaln Jifficultfeg In rutting the student or Jobor activf-
tles uncler the direction of' the Counotl; that thoeo vroupn #To nov functJontng
effIclently and that 1 trujted tha t ke could 380 tho Problere of completely
chans theIr con trol, clrect= and coordinatjon. I addad tha € I
bolleved that he ghould XDcw 9oee t}: of Wat Arv dofng and that I
bloved that should be kept Inforced ,
"I kpow abaolutoly notbfns, Xo rojlfed _ Ohhat cace] to EO 10 from
thos8 Suka Indfvidule. I a+ not Jp egreetent uItb tbet, I': becor ridf-
culoug_ Under thege oJroumstanoo8 I cannot contioug I hevu planted tko
Protlec 0f tho underground txe probler of the collatorel orzaniea€lons
(tnat be sould 1e tc ha vo In Courfl by) :eIng thair souce of gupport
and cocrdinatIon) , of tha rgIbtrata8, and nou Jou have S00n she + ALABA0 hao
done (procla GARCEHAN 00 PrasIdert of exlle rtrbot ) sto Io vork-
sith sou poople , anJ you have B00n the react ton cf the Stato Dopartzont .
Bou yoaterity ALNBAU 10 publlehlng polltIcal denurclgtIons aga Inat tho
Courafl _ I havo dlacuagod the rattor 0f tco "G1streteg NIth thho C.I,A. I
don't Nrocbar tha Dod of tha pargon, 1 ronth taa Fobacd and the otber
maglotratve (thoge #Ith ALABAU) baven't baec 3 topped (s tbebr actIvtfeo)
apdttey hswe3't had olectkona a0 1 requeated to s0Jeot apther leadar,
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FTko atudonto 0jB Codt UU:NZ thotr act-vlefod: I eltove Lhat I bato
torct:_ L w hoad 20 8atb for tbo iotrNlpatfon of stae ahoidd
dlocuedad Xn tho Counfl vltc [; and I agroor ont VIth you; but thoeo exlotlnz cLrcurJ*ancoo, Vbsu: anj_CondoceIod, bake Jt 'm te 1 cannot
ooneJnuo *o olanthbeseo Afd, To Uho {Irotproblo: , I Prosonted your_RoPly,
awe eha)l 00 , To tha bo338: protlar tte] collateral %sgen.enetono S YhIch coneInwaa tho Mtta 39 e{0r0) tho ukrd problor I prrzantcd, O0 Qrtb to aerd wothInz . Tc8 "7u-u. problec , the nropararca: OpAratIon "Crlote"
th& I akowed you, notr } rez) Jed Eiet € Qn trc Jatter [ ted dLscubeod
lhe [attor, tut 1t Yj, T %o} feve", a nuEcontIon ZXvan to rb In the Depares
cant of Stato,
"If 2 don' t Eako Prooazande a bond NtT 3 Irto Cuta nov, It'e u8elo8e,?
ho doclared, QKnd I Cance rezaIn sn] eXlenco , 9 I rorllea tast I tlJovod
QuIto 0 b1t of propagarda } t"n2 Concilictod, but; Incopondent of tho
Co :ncfl_ I CimUt zk 4 PXIV' (Tbos (tho Agorcy | koep' opCeallng uIth the
YRP vlth tre Da Jded Rovolicte#rlo, emd havep't ontered Into tho Counoll
eJonly bacauan #ra '0 cLrect contact *Ith #h0 Lyonoy . T}us It @ppoarb
ths t InDA of tha orculers Lt I tok 12 wJth Jou 0M0 tponty daye 48o havo
boon roaolvcd, anel I' *70 3 Axe enoWxor bolutfona I bert to kpou the truth
1f I'e mt ecceptable I'1} #it0 Rzd "Ithcut @6 Acardko enatbcuver. 1 hevo
avAllocod ull lhe crIticte , 40 E oun Kuuve, In #*lenco 00 ekowzh I Loro
ronjonsIEle ior everytt 1 ~rnot contIaua to do thlo ferc' t doIng noth
I carnot ba 0 pu:'mti I [to Xc 478 + 6Iv0."
Ke rlterated ent mbr kud toon reaolved cn axv of Alu requeata @rd
Pro-8a]e, am: that he cv'ls' cntinua thy Trot bo coul: 4ut, 8o t
Piterto RJco 40 4 pro{a8p37 . Ae ecced +o uld Junt 1 3rx uItr ue , %o than
referrod to eto Bctb 02 Lecrda ' Zaw Jork, Yhlch had co3t IGw thousund
dollar8, plue Jb:a5e, 6 ricie -cub aut apond]{rce tbe naIniatratIve Budeet.
5o nxl vc Pald the puogace, 0io Iving coets I;orc." ko 804d,
"Hov I %o 1 PLocf #er 1 Wv0 lo faco te)oreanuzstJcnJ groured Jnto
tte Couc[) . 'A1v 0 {Or etertere?r PI havon't arj _ A1} tha oraarIzatlone froos
sheelArg there #Ic: dcp'€ vere s Jotn torethor 80cat00 Ero YorkIng
Jlrctly ult: yowr people _ % 0% ths ~dj unforeinate #bked dlo ttor
etaro could Dc L ta #3c0 8377 9 realIziu contecta vith tlec #endul nceg-
mrily ckannollsln; ttesr rzzrt ard &irectlon trrouzh to Courcfl, gucb
48 ty for 0 Ocpa tteo 6lcrz tra Ilma I ted 0u3E* Jted] Io KIeel.
Xfro then reforted 6 ts 68e05 +nt ruecher} Sn te Mnlt Houso rcotlng
Vith *ra Goodvin, r. Hocdtere Xu Fertlecen of tto C Ila., erd VIeh %r,
Kurvlts. FLrat, Gnt t0 :0> {.45 t.ut X9 reco; I Ieed 19}t1c Coneejo (CRC);
C. 1ro 1s the :0 rocn of cl? cerIidenco ar #ILl Favt 60}ed- InIjtrstIve
budevt -2ch to #Li Ocntr-? : LT; "1ll Foprt Jalar ta 0Xenzej or coordira -
tJon, 18 :: U;at ary othor eTRpKs, eroper arala cr clandeot D #etJvity, #Il} te
pald bj en0 4: cCY ; for E1o Eaciler ? Of Ute)ozgas1ettono| %n te Couro Ll thoro
vI be Ccnlict W 0992bt s orking out theAr boJutIsn?; that 1y 6 @ay ,
Una6 tko' r prcller 9 o? toaes 0: QIT 0+7 Amthar polot vaoj tat AD cabe tere
470 orgerIea € Jons that dc' w€ etioos L Joln K0 Coucd, 0 }ro "1l) 6
porfccely Jnforged Ja @ttc) of L*0 Cattars at hard ac VIll eIvo hb
aueorIae€ Ion. Tel J0 W 081 , {: estatilaes 0 Wifyin; Control Over tth
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(CRC) . I Rave 80von, to Mork Vith >ou, ulth "ch Pooplo stho aro
Golng to QarI] Out eha actIvItles, N1es Lhe : Pooplo that f deelenalo.
beh[n8 of Lhat to tolng dono - Thon sat ehoy wapt Lo t cork 6lonc.
"I VIJl mt coneInlo = I uI not Contsnua Irom t 6100 I motua 0 Kieet : I hare Gon? O for fIve rontho; stru6814ng. I cannot @ocopt thfo
p1tun eJon, I havo trJed to pull together thoga stoufa 00 aeked Jn tm WhIto Houeo, I havon'& eucceeded In grouplns any rore tecauae I vant t0 apaak clearly In ordof to ' reraln pood [rlonda altuye be'ca1lwo you huvo
proventad It, Tho atuconee bavon'€ Jolmd, not becau8o of IJO PoltIcel roanon, but peroly tecduso buoport trOr: dIrecely . Pregumbly tke Idoa Jo that Jo Chjo +N Che bourty of thJ9 natlon J0 totter pafeguarded.
ConeoJo Ya9 deelred to J0rvj 00 tho doordfm sroup ard to provide 0 Ecadd by mhich tha Unltod gtates vould mt appoar to +o Intorvenirg In Cuba.
Ir thoro Io to t 0 Consojo, 16 mw0€ hava 4ll U0 dlsplty 0r" 8 Counofl,"
"on [ t57 to for 0 Counctl, grouplng ail &loronte togothor ,
don't Join tecauso Lhey are talxIn; directly %lth jour" pooplo
end thero
Lp an O[fIoo for that pwtoso In Ylanl 6 whIch doalo NIth au tho fon who vant to vork, sto vant t0 do thlngo: Tblo 19 all Imlacondont of tho Counc-l,
And Roso vork for 0 dostruotIon of the Councll, I cannot tolorate thlo. T have Jon Yho 19 prIoomari 0Itber I krov tke plsna, nn I Xnov tho BArouvor
ond tho problenj thaetbey ar0 GOIng to carty or I; Mlon I errivo fo KlarL, VILl &Y, und gend vo1d to kaahIngtou. Lot tbeci do WIthout 586 Thero vJLl 6 BOEOono so VIll Gubelt to theno th but pt I,"
"And Of ' tho Ibu Iler.a thct T=#mredy-prorIeed *0 to rebolvo, thoro
shevo not beon rodolved any , and I flnd 57glf In tha dorta And I 0: v0r7
gorTY , I a not k0ln3 to Cocurck } 00 tte eACurItY or t10 Natlon, but
nalther W} I GOfos Co oonpror Lse tko AItwtion or ttose toya: Fhon
JLeappoared , lont thotr Iivea, etc,, I Yu0 oonsronted with "And you #ro tho
PraeIuont 0f tho Cotinojl,' I cacnot rema Ina Jn thle Nay . =
"I haven' € boon able lo kroup together arvtt: I Lab promood taat
tbe cagiatrale? culd all Incorcorate togethor (Anto tte Councll) , but
that raacal ALAIAU Js sorklng araInjt tno Counall and Ihave roabon W
ba}favo t€ Ko %1 dolnc It MIth Akerc} aupport, otherulao how vould ho Pay
for hlo polltlo:l donunojatlons," I reboonced , Cha + [ bolleved thte oould
not ba tr", Ba ercuted, "J bave (xpreagcd Fy poaItJon tc You, apd 1 Yant
You t0 a onalr when You Cap, If tic 00 (rotlora that I huvc Jt forth do not have a beredlato exlutlon, I 4 nor " to kwcv an C dlopoae o
rlatJvo actJono to bo takon, 4en hov, *n Viev of EJ 'ItustIon, cubt I do."
Ho abked about Lho olan for,elandestin sbotazo acticn by
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re Id, thet ho had &fton 49, a0c at had Cor0 o5 Jt. I ropllod Uut ho Ewt
realizo tba & eo study 6f ouch 0 plan rceeoarIly wj Jcv 'ond pugt 6o
conoeddrad bJ rany , Ho sld ko Y68 oonv Lnced that tkoro Lab no Intontlon o
accopting suoh plana, ard thae MhJlo Dv VB diacuea suatplana, Vo Jogo O0lo "I cannot acCo?t (hla oJtuaejop, nor would yous
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Ho then 0aJd tha € he could Ko aheud GIndolve Lte_Counc Il, ond Joe
Quct orranfellon Go ahcuc} Anu to 00 It ;loeacc} Ulut ho coulun't proaldo
O16T FeanJnclodd counc4l) uul et Io LiaB nol # utroaL, tte he vould tP
Oulo I reujwurod hb: lhat ho Vaa h Jchly cuto0u In. WuuhInclon and It Veo
1tco016rz that he conesnuo 00 htad of" Lho Counoll. He rorllod, "Vut
dlerorerd 50,
Ha ro[taratrd Lhnt ha had lantad Towr nroblot: 0, Tom 0f' MIch iml
80r reaolvod} ru_bcrutd thut 1 rJoxl d tk:e :ronll; "#ik;d #rollon 0
tt19 akO, but tho & ~ronakoIsia contin:u" # Inen;xn:ient 0t (hxo Colno {}
an reoplo € Ta n0:'€ Oul i{km #hocc lo the Cou- rvun or LU ont. Jn %aq
Parslo, Moro renout € Jngi JIko purroto W:Ich (ln't &o. WIth Laeln
Cln Ansrlcun aud Loriaodo
'1 huvo a9kad for 05.0} 0Ittor #Ive Iad E4aBIvo +7B tvo, throo
EJIIs00 Mhatavor I0 GoCe#erI, Iacau:a thlo 10 to' Jojtroy
"8obuoist,
ard ve '1I EJko Out plne . Ard 1'Ji furnleh the dcad, tcr v can do Ro
TOre %0 Dumt vork In urreoront, lacuuvo Mcv ouch tlro that I Jpuak ,
1t'g atoll Beo , W aro GLnc W stul; = un) rothIng karnene .
Im} I ske)l not DroaIco ovur.aIcEher Caurcfl uxlul)e : uior thudo cIrouo
0tance0, I have ofton aront 24 touro Wittout ploeuine, tr7lngto pull
togetter tha groupa, and mantLo , nroblal:# ariso Oti Gll oldog. Mhy?
Boca4.R 8 lonx 48 othor PTou;0 0+ Durcorl, von!t entor tko Counc4l,
Tha N}:? L0 In contnot wIth; >ou upd} #t ttInp 413} nov Ui Unlcaud Rovoltt-
cionsrJq . I rotaln tho ridlculouo 01m Alroaely I'v nurforcd 0 Jot and
hava aon vho L0 1 prIuoner. Ar N'vo tlkcd 0 Jot: durlns thoju
erd I Xeen on hoIn;; U nupkal, Uul Yotdo Uian & Duselt; wc"uao 4 puppet
Lb rovod, but I'e mt 0ven Eovad ,"
rrhere fore , I Bay 6o You tha + the groun) thn & Yunt to vork uIth Ub;
You, 40 chfef 0[' tht prou;; er I, Y0 ourhe t rubolv all tboeo qucatlon?}
far e Jaeole , uIt; tha chfef of tm Rlitry group , MC4i1zo Ie hg Iulled
tge tatr tko protusu Ivnal awy Ad ie robol ary (olocantu) an tho 4rry
of MIteratIUp, such u9 Varola Botu?, #Inlo und to boyo, sho bave Cor.0 [roc:]tro erLeade. " He declured hetS(7is 10 0 flghtor, J8 wfllIng t
rotWrt t Cube, ard that b0 tad great aonfitonco Jn S(TT?9,
I ebburod hba lbat 1o logallzatIon of STUJ' TajIdonco Yould ba
arran 6d 5 end that Yr. Rurultz Infor ad L0 tha € Ixe bolleved pocethlng
could 1o Goro for the Gthor tret TotlreeJ 4 03e nw09 [a }Jro had
g1v0n {9,
DT. KXro ro tera ted that *o cWot epoak clearly, that he &uld not
continva thug 8a 0 truvoll prejLcunt wIlhcut ltivIng anvytt;= L gIve t
hIg Poc_lo no thjns tte unloruroulit' throus-h Cowc4l botIon; r oould
ho bo Igrorant 0f pland wIch he opzo8ed clior Cubana 80 out 1 dle and
ton }svLr8 thefr relutivoe Cora W Ilc; 80 Teopon9Ible. Ho doclared, 'I
don'& vant to IJvo On 0 budgst, rroaIde OVor U adr Intstre UIvo offIco,
rocolve poople, tell ehot 1ioe, eyIng, Wo aiall 830 , Tho ron Sbo a8o
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horo (In CoucIl) roprumonting organItatlons
p uet knov 0opo LhIng 0f sue
loy aro Bolns' 6 d0 erd 4f Lhoy cok for 40 rLfloe, X Bwot_ 0 able + &4,
"Horo lhoy am' me 6 klvo @Idio dIroctly Into thelr hando tut through
Oodtaoe for thfo, othorulee You pooplo Euko your plano, und I'1] rotlro
frcb ovorything. And ba ab8urod Uwt) Dovor, movor vLJJ I dy 0 plnglo vord
08a Idoe Lho Acancy or Cto Unlted %t4- Dover) nor Oxulujn roapono chJoh
phouldn't 6o oxplalnod,
"If X cunnot have tho robpondIbility that I should have , I pha)l noe
lon) nyaolf to Miae may rojult Ln 4 trarody . Iuno of tho problema [ hawo
plantd havo boon Dao [ved) Dot that of tho FC ietraleo nor ttwt Of tho Lacnrbrey, nor tro #oiky b Wto underground Iae boon ronolved, Iot tho plan of propeamla th:tt I euvo you: I Cannot conttnuo t JIt In u offIco,
Milo You coneLuo opbretIng, 0@ you YIeb, wIth Fy eIlont Oondont, Iou may
chicum dordono 0] 80 IJko Nr. Gorloy, wio 16 a0kInk for
ortj , Chaone and
090 cothor hlo paca vIJl Byu Cuba. You an Fong lo rbato enothor Fldol,
Mio La noth:
{ ropIndod hle tbut 1 hud Iy talke #leh hli only ton daya toforo, not
lwnty , andtbat I coilld tlk L no Ona LpWach Incton wntn 0 Ldek 480 and
md 6 tato cenvorwa€Jonb Vleh EanY [mople_ and that hJe pronoaalo
oould mt bo rogolved Jn guoh 4 bhort tJce, He ruturtod W the apacront
that "plane 0f eotlon & dIvcudeed Jolntly} tht€ Jt' thoro 50j@ obJectlona
tnn& tho obJocelono b0 dlaouadod, Ho pald thoro had bcen no obfeatlone 0
[er + dLjouda) nor o*Juceiong t0 propuganda plano. Ha Vub to Hlvo contaot
VIO 0 repragenta€fv0 of C-I.a, to @ee With repropantativaa Of Orgunlea-
BJona thae Vant 1 collaborato, and MIth Dr _ PIro nothing dovuloped On Uwel Ho declarod that ho ehould have knowladso of Ulo aotivitlen o
thoco that don'& Mun € to collatorg end 0u Jc} Ouch thora MJl} 6e FtorO,
bocnusa vart t0 6ufn t0 pover for thor dolvuu; to act On Cofr Old
acooime, Ho 8aId he knoud thoro J0 0 "JIm" am 4 "Rotortw and othoro thwt
0ro dolng &hInge.
I addurad hlr bo iuet realtzo that thore varo any]problond Jpvolved
La kle proposala a0J that tlce Vad eepenthal to tork t1act Oue, I ror Indad
hb; or klo oorveraa €Jon VIth YI. doouuxo and tho lattora' otatu; ene l tho
o[fOOL tbat thora could to no thoueht In th6 forogaeublc luturu of 0 BLIJ-
Wr] omrutJon eGaInbt or Invagfon of Cuba kiro counterod by rofortlrc W
hlo Oonvereation uIth tho Probldent on 18 July and hla (MIro'0) corplatnt
or Incelvlty . He ald &e PreeIdent pronodod the rocrulting of Cubano Jn
dirferont unlle of tho Arry {or traJnlng 80 a0 to utille thor: #t tw
opiortumo ans} Chut tho OffIcore vould te Uvftdd t ow EJlJ
pchtoko, MIro sa {d ho had Nuthorod 8OCO of the EIlJtary toiothler ard Jn-
tored thom 02/ &+19 cffor, undl tho naxt bek ke vej' cullod to dJoolad tno rocrulting, #Ich bo arproved Thor: Conara} Horahoy Yent to 0o0 tu 0
hle houso, telltng hle thut Cubano uouldn't b0 Bont 1 BrlIn or ay suah
placo but bopt Jntho 0,3, uveJlublo ub latera "fro efd, 'Ir tmoro
J0 t0 1 Do Invaalod, ten Jot'0 utJlIgo the undorground, yhJah neede An0
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Do agaIn repea tod , "Tliodro Euat 1 FabAIvo pronatarda; pco:tdly 8
vo oall Surnfoh tto doad, bul I nood L) bIqu "ilov ara 4 eoInr 6
Ho oubaentod cha & ho Vao BoLnr 6 a0k ehat hlo photo;Toph rol 1o pub Op
tho Oovor Of 0 cortuln pacasino bocau;e %o d*n't knoU sho Uior Io 00
golng t oontInue) thae Jd etlo prebont oJrc'rotanoon ho dJdn' 0p0 hov 6o
could contInua Arafo I weed thut ko Fuse do 00, tri! thne' I Tolt cortabn
ebat could moolvo O*0 of #le prutooalo, protably Iol + tho oxtont
ehat ko doblrod, but at Jeagt Jn pert , tut that tlao Yea nocandar7 .
acooplLbb thJo,
Ho repoat:d tha & th Coimofl coool? 6 tavo 0:.r0 ~Otlou "aken In Guoi,
tut tho Apanoy Xoong on u1 0rtek botIor a uIthoul any connection #Ith
tha Councll, pUar, Lhat ho @ust Iinvo txo Taliim {Ur conduotjong prOrA~
gande , Buct nj out}Inod Jn Lho #ororutlen Grfola." Ilao aokod D0 cten could
I (lve hli Br 0 Htjyoro , I replJod Lhot d_ tho ourreut Hook I GAtotod
to havo rootIngu Jn dJoh tho:o Elttoro wjulc lo dInougded tho opartcent
of 8t ~Ith Kra Goouvln, WIth repronentatIvoa or t1o Aguncy , bnd 1mt I
hopod thut 8 0thJng voul:l Ix robolvcd, but thx+ ho Dust roalIzo that PAm
nooplo & ro involvod In guott nuttore 4nd oblutlong Oro rot redchnd 3uictlz;
Ile teitoratad thu € ho had to koop t0llLng :1s orpsafzatlona RrOIl 0
lonkor" 4nd that thJo yan bcocinc arturraostng.
Tor ho brouwht up hlo pregosal or teyfn? %ln and tho Councfl €o t
Cuba Bay1ng "porhapa It voultl to advantbieoua h:t I elle Ln Cuba } ehat
the Counc1l #0k racoj ltion (TOn: Cubed 12l and tho nlltury a1d o8' %o
UnJtod Stutua 411 Lo Luto plcce wltl:In ke tourn. Ho addod, #I hato
told you o the muctlon 0f Cardlnol Srellran, "%0 huvo dono Yory Idl]
tn tho Cubun affafr.9
I rar Irlod hbr Wha € deg it tbo ugeicy tibnt Yo 0ll rocoruleod In Vao
Cuban BItwutIon +ul Il9 throut W tho Or it9 Sutoe u11d all Lhe ArorIcu8,
thera aro rany othor corld problern Laoa, rerliu, olco, 4 M:Ich 0leo
occupy the uttuntlun o[ our coverrcont cocrke.
Tbon I uufd 1
Wlahed to tako bdvastase cf cw rdotin: to ubk hle I0
InforratJon ralaeIva to hib currort budsbt} fIrat, dl he bo)ovo ea &
thore Yato Qiy nople rcuJvIng 8 &s luri Iru tte Councl] W'Q @Lrht elbo
Ix Eoltang [iranclal ` nid (Tor H.E, , He #*4, { could novor fAN16
tbato" Then he (cclared that hc Ind tvo #by? cf' ozor' tln;; wion ko otbarbod
tho parjcnno ] of Ulc Vardoug orculzetJons Tt; t1o CRC , efther 1 ct Ocf
tte Lr 0larlc0 au:Idonly , or L? trer t Yor" {ur thelr DAy) etol 1ra
"no}-Jms" (cnyroll) (row 0 IIttle tJt tocrura te kad 10 taku Mn cortain
peotlo , tml tmt Ke Con' #Idlorodl I9 ~hgorb:ry ther aj "Qcor : Ink to tra
rollcy of C.I.A, Tlion ho #aclared tha t te (oxJEU: bcre {It rer0 Ived bJ
rofureem {ron Hor,W, Yus f1Cc Fer Tn" fly gr :Lti: ena; tut no choro *ero
coild M fae Ily 1Jvo 0: 4 hunlred a conu= Herco , Iwu dld not fee] pat bo
could cut Of[ tho pobule on tho 8taff9 0? thu &i.c orranJeatloro, and prd
thoc 1 tho H.E,W; Fhoroforo, t LoTO #b8Lgtod to th0 d.fforont
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"Tho aionoy for tha ud'orcround Jo Fuck ersc; contact Ia doubtrwl, U
OouaQ , Tlo problor: 0f Cubu cojta u Xot of: ;ct.oy ! The ;'oujulo or Uxo
Eocacbryy I0'0 GIffIcule 1 'lllver m5ti0 6 etiem7 But M ar0 Nolm' 6
Tun Lhat rlok, Tho ur 0 ar0 Gulnt to bo lontz Loll rloko iuoL I0 tikopa
KJro #GuIn reforrod tu tho €ruupo that didi't VtaIil l collborat Yilh 4o
Counol bue Vowlal Callaboralo Ciroctly Vith ttc Arxonoy olatJns elat ho
hund Ojuodod Il ud uLIll Ojriaod Je; that t recu Jved 4 very affuotlonal
Jottar #aklng hln to try vork Qut a]l ehc croblor 0 tetloan 48 ont Mccopl
u ilutlon, uml thut 4 rpruronta WJvo youlu bv cojlamntvd 'to Work NIC &
tie I hadl 06 "pcarod Hio hod Upont Lwo very plon:mnt daya viu rQ} Uiat
1 Yad vory umlaro turd1n3; thnt dayn }ad UbJ0w4 of' €Tedt #rslaty . (MItot thenty but ton , I Inter-ojud,_
OjedY
Ile 8u Jd to {Jgwtd that ; robtly hs
Lehe have 057.0 4rl Iubfr {Or tho undlorrrcuv] &m} brow nbout nlun o[ uction
Iud felt 0erer: Ullencd , "Bute ho uId "nsu ] fuo] knockeal doun, Kono
of lho pluna or propegantla prorom:} $ Have taon accoptod, tona , Tho (IrJne
vall In Cuba contLnwwa funotlontng, J1 dead In %) dexe. 'y reaka 1" €lon hao
boon VrItton @go, und X 0 ready 1 gubr 1+ 1t 0J doon a9 I retur €o
Hlac L,
I dloclarod lhat ha nuat not d tna/, thnt ko guat hava putionca . that
It ekos tlmo to rogolvo eheao 0htn6?; He replled tha & ro hao boon
"ilbng
oInce ArrIl und rontloned 4ll the bufferin = k tad &one throuah, attacka
by ovoryono, rothoro Of prIeurrs atu} dood, ene ArorIean Fr00s, Forture
Tloa LIro, llow Tork Tiuae, 0tco, All ogeln3e +ln alolx; Yita AtABiU Troiles,
and Olhora) 4nd that ho had auwiortod 0ll o? us In #flonce Ho had bocn
aaked It It VrO trve that thora Vub no @Jr 00r7' Ort ard had not anjkorod ,
"Tho othor ttgo I kopt MM JIpg Olodod wIlh atbslute retth' , Lho noxl tlme I
urull Huvo rv Oycd Onan um| hcve cany quatienid, I don"t une:0r#tAtid hov
you swonlo can doul sxth {0.0 of thlo.l0 unknowi Cubans,
Ile ba1d, "I've eIvon buny proofd 0' loyuley t ycu. Khat thoy attrIbuta
to 50 tha othur In Kle J trat "thoro wouid b an Invuulon In 0 [Qu
dayo" that J9 nat trWo I havo 0 Lapo ricord o[ #at [ Ja[ Yl:Jch Vag
"very BOOI) (uIthout ventJon ay dato) Jn Cuba Lhoze mould ba unvo lod
tho Lrout Pajcuaj (roowrractlon) of tho Kutharlerd, and the) p'17083 hue #ls-
Intorprotad Puacusb uJ the Paucun? rlo NavIdud (C:rJutsao),
"Thwbtho]_Drocu Ocrod Oul wIth atto: entb artrlbutod to Dr _ MJro that
tno InmaJon "Ill lake placu by Chrlatr48, coc %letcly a Jfc nothlng
IJko #iut I p Id," I conoaded t0 Dr . I ro the & Xe had suffere(} 4 trcc 0 pdloun
Duebor O[ @tcuckg 1n 6Jlonco thut thio prW:R }c Owor 8 pcrJod 0f tLvo
Cora out mie crItlcel roi: ark9, I ^dked hk. In 66 plenned to Pagu througb
Waahl _ lon boforo Iturn to Klanl and ho mwu ho a:ln t havo Eoory for
ouch 0x[xno6a) tt { '8 uIfo Vup terrbly Vorr'ad about toLr JOT; bul
tha t ho wuld havo t rol uIn Ln Nov York utJl tednosday t attotd tho
Junoroon for aul the odJtorg Of tha Latin A: orican prOBI _ cho Kwnt to Con-
Yordo vIt to holp with propaganda but bIlcut coeting the U,6. 0
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corloslord VIehIo the CRCt fIqudco, propuranda, clandaatluo, 1ller,
orcen] e olc, Tho ~Db Mho' er) To Kood or don'€ Yant l cork , ho
Dald, ho
tdlouia
Gul OcI, bue Lhae ho couldn't Juot fjro BCoor ouldonly.'
Ho thod paId ealurkoo MIO #all 0 {xLO, 6225 Por conth . 00 Un 0voraro
oxoopt for particulr LndIvIdule, quob 40 h1o ubototant Aragon, 0 vory
capablo poroon, a nd Uie ohloro 0f tho varlous oreanlzatlona who vork "ful
Lhor and rocolva #LCO 0ach} arthor tha t ho plannod to eah orCanIaa-
Clon approxleally 8700 por Bonth for tholr ooratint; 6xanaod, Qouo 1ooo,
0070 4 1Ittle Doto (HIR,: Reoculo, 30 d0 Nov, 20 d0 AAA ]Imlonend-
Jontee, Kontecrlatt) ;
Mon I quoaticnod wrothor tho PonleorJoti orvanizatilr Ua "tIJ] In
tho CRC, he ea14 1t Ulat only Justo CurJllo had droprod Qut of the
CKc but Lho (om? roraIbed Jn and had 0 nuv teed, He Adaled &hat he had
Just had 0 roquoot from CarIllo to provIdo htb (Chr llo) VIeh 0 thougard
dollaro} ehet Car_llo kad photogroph L0 coploe of dorto checka thut ho had
paJd,to Huldo Prank for propakunda eqtlvltles aralndt Cuta ad that
Cur_llovaa aek_ rosoburouront but PJro 0aJd ho didn't uuneldor ho had
t Rlvo Jt w Cartllo
ReturnIog +0 cho budgoto Klro Sadd , PThero aro tto vurIot;d orplorood}
thoro 10 thu Itom; of trLpo; choru aro tia #IItrz iooplo creupod undor
tha mIlj coreloaJon I eanot Jot tres _ auffor Leory. Thoro 0T0 5
atudonto on tne peyroll boccuge thoy are b nu;portad by you (tro
Agenoy ) . and rleht thero 4 dIfferenco Ja eotublJehed boteoon tHoto I0
tho CounoJl and tnobo Yio TecoLvo konoy (To5: the Aeonoy dlroctly chJah
J0 Goro than that rocolved b 1J pooplo , 8o0 hov Yqu (the Aconcy ) MICh-
out IptandIng and {or roqbona or LudocurIey, erd Goln:' to dostroy
tho Counoll Ho thon atatod thot ho hud placed Alvarer [ar, Mho bad
been KInloter o Zinance , In charge 65 financa battera baosuse ho (MIc)
could not bo overyvlere , and t 0 @ako Oorta[n thut po' 0X7 0en9 wora
On whJoh they YrA not In egreer ont, and wIch Paule' would Oarry oubo
1 qurtlod stathor Paula uould OuttInuo a0 aocountant, anil MIro sald,
"corta_nlyo 40 Jocountoita A He 0ald thlat 0veryone haa bron tom 'Ing t hta
(MJrc)} VIeh 0ll ktrdo of pleao for monoy end tereforo It Yug nocajeary
to hava Alvare? Dta: In Moro 00 that he 4nd Poula blght robolvo tho fInanoo
wa tloro, MJro 0ddad vorde of pralea for Paulu, 'It'b IIko I vant to havo
for Ouch Dection of tho Counotl, } Lko I Vantod Contol Aguero to handlo
propag?nda, but 0]ace he 10 rorefv= Donoy Sron j04 the Acaroy) ho
doom't Vent toa I havo to havo soc0one ta take t.1l Jd ofr of 50; fyet
08 sn Naval &ffalre, 0crbon0 + lock for boato, 4rn; etc,0
I abkod atout Kootro for propacanda und KIro replJed that Postro Jo
no good, novor Md of value} tut hu Iad koen Dul Jnl char v of +1o prooa-
Ganda]corelaelon provloualy and GIvon MLE',OCO ronthly , but had dono cothJng,
Tbon ha Jeunahed Jpto 0 crItIcle o0 tho Swnn_proparanda} thut JL Yb 0
ehero , handled by Batlotlanos/ Foriendeg VARELA , 0 Cutholfc} Suaros
Bomandee, 0 boni tor In Lhe opoah of [atieta . He paced anotywor (boundod
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1ko Ctau YIller) 0 bad preon anj I @lIubcroa Firo ' efd ha had agkod
tht Sven 1 sLoIc?4 but' einco thes Mor} dlreetly, thcJ9 pooplo ora ofonclod , Ho adlod wr7ly Lhue ho ~Iohod (eho AKorCy ) vould dofend
ble (PIro) Lha Vay ,
He .paId (Uw Roencz ) had noood tho #roble: fAve Bontho ako,tn
"u: [ rclatlve t0 Joaquin, 0 Cutun wt:o Vu0 ucrking WIth' tho
Counofl end hab sriod eckr[fIcontly , but Uion he accepted Vork vIt}: eho
C,I,a_ anr continus? dcin;; thlo (urn} do # #tever ho :lesaen) Intol-
1L,"cce, arT: 0) recr-{cing, atc, T= ancl VIJT have Kot:] t d6 vith tho
Cowictl,
Aealn MIro declsred txit ko hed tlo hlvhent revard for Paulo and
couldr + degzoneo VIt: hlx , ha:l *@ven prokoried hla nare 1 bo thb nglotrato
or U1o Tribural of Kccountn Ln thu futuro kovcrrenl of Cuba. I uddod
udloretardln;; thal PtJlo had doro 0n1 excollont %2b, 2artlculerly
ontJonlng hlo handl} of pay_ corionder td, 0 Bm eIculou 6nd arduows
tabk, Kiro oxciufrod eat ho ad novur ccnaicered roplacIre Paula but
coroly neaded Alvaro? flu? to hurdle tlotalls KIth Fauli, Ho mId ovory-
O0 In Klnvil ovg 16 10 Pu'la wo hao tha pory t cako payuonej by
chock, an} that #o tnuht J+ Yould bo Mctbr Ior ehe {pople to Pay-
"onla Jn 01at aml a rCc9Iot; tht gcrats00 0CA6s0 [Leht rob Paula
atiu thon Aoople 0ll buk "Sror: Miorc dod;8 tt1o Roney cct?, 0Lnca tho
Cubuna havo no ICnoy,'
Than Dr , YIro oaM] ho vould 1tko to clarffy @y doubtful quantIona,
ukod Mather hu td reco Ived @n;; other comunfcatlon L tha Eacanbray
Krouj) o He ro:,)lcq thb & #0 kad but chat tha Ona tiav} Ot @ Lhrough tho
Hoptocrlots KrOud anr: cor t Inilc to aek hfx for thfo 450;0 Afd, I
a9ked whether anJ ct:ant"9 or & dditlong mwd bcon Eado Jo to Counoll at tho
Octobar 1Oth gOet Ho replfad tat te FRP td not angxorad hlo Inv
VItutlon tuCaus they wrd vorkInt wIth the Aconcy , an: ehual tho nov
prolp tho Unlon Revoluclonarfo, had rorlted thue tkey a1 not, tocaum
thy tlvo 0 dologato' In %acbington wtiu Lo edek ing GIrect cuntaot KIth
IJ .$. Govorraent AgO:cled.
MIro thon duclarad lhut In ordor t co21 4 Counoll Leoting, ho had t0
bavo 0 Preas Ci;nfare[.C5 or 0 preb0 T0l6u% (atxout c6ll= 0 CRC [b6tIng)
but Prlo, ALALA:: , and 4 vorybody Vero #Cinat 0ll t: and Varo douhtful
ctettiar to Coto or xt t Cole , tlkod VIth Conte Aruoro @nd uIth
roluno Biany houre. Krreljaro Jo 0 Duehrer; Xf thlneo &ren't done 40 bo
Jedts, Ke Yon't Co &long. Koroover , ha hus u atronc aR+I-AporIcaa
dontlront, I bllked 6o thev: , but seId, "o." 'Thoro Yaro Lvo
proble'. 0 ( thaLr leck of conf Iderca Jn thc CoveTraart, ica EY cor tradletory
#Jov that Vo Yunt to b WIth thol} (wftt 0,5,), I voula. LIko to huvo had
6 call 0 CouncIl Beotiaig alr oat by force . Thore fore I deofdod to havo
To paotIng and no Preo8 Conforanca , and to 0ota bero (t Bov Jork CIty),
Thoro Vaa M Modto0 'i
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MTho Caotlatlanoo 4rO Yory Yoll orkarleed and alao tho Frlo foLlovere,
valting for TA to Io docoth und I cunnot du anytl;) I'r Ule 80,
Lavronco, raablad on Ono 02d0 and frlud On tho othor,
I ankod Asother 4i0 Cou' 011 Ya0 looked Ilpon too ! uoh 80 8 PolJelcal
OntIty rutbor ehan 0 WIfyInt; Redfum. Miro rop]Jcd, "Thoro pocplo (PrJo,
Alebau; oto.) Yunt to obsruct the One0 #xo aro flghtln;; Castro Chrougb
tho cediwa or the Couro?], Thoy aro dlvldod Into tvo Atou9} (1)
FolltIcter:8} PrIo, Aloneo PuJol; taojo tut vart to to Lhe` dlrectore)
(2) Tho {rourj that Yan € to 4ct Ultnin Cubu Lho don't tar:t l0Joln CRC
but ra tbor to doal dlroctly uIti: you noople In ordor t heve tho [lhDr
toxorrou In Cubu; nccplo only of a (tlor, :t of CorIOn @t18O and Mto
canot Foan ruch 60 t*a Duture o[ Cuba ;
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muld cuuse enjthar Ora
1sko that of FIdol, who Is rothfng but a otuclent _ That J0 extroroly
denxoroue = Jou BLvo thiozo poo:,lo the neung ad If ope or trem Ovor-
throva FIzbl ke 10 tka Ono #io 988u98 Fovor, He FRY bo 0 tood gan or
actlon but ` only 24 or 25 Yonr? old BM not oIla Yho can orlent Cuba Jn
tho o8 dococracy . Aftor roarhIng K0, poople taInk d.frorently .
Plehtors aro cupablo of curry cut tke ecblon You gIve thou to but
not to govorn , 11
Dr _ Mlro continicd to dcoll on }:lD ooncetn 40 t0 tho Nutwro I( thoea
young fIshtera 4ra BIven 4 [r0e hand to co Rd toy plaugo } lnat Caro euat
b0 takon 80 to Yho 1o puxxrtod the t thoen neoplo aro the Qra Yto don'0
vant to vork ultn ua; thot tho *? Hopoa Uxat 10 UIll 69 p;e Oro Mho 4Ill
loxd tOEVITOV J Cube) that O8os of tbe lutura vill be 00r 6Ching to vhloh
tho 0.9. had contrIbixtad by euprorttng cleganta,
D, Mlro corcenlod fo furthor detafl klo Ilovo und ha t &rod od
tho saner of uaing Cunds to avold boing Ilke the ostrct , "Evoryoro
knova whoro Uto ponoy 10 comlng ITOf: arrl 60 hava to ba carenl Qr the
{OTW Evoryon doou not knou 0f you, but o chord tte hely 1s carIng
froc
QHo ero ttu pultticog of tha war uGuInst Caetre , afiravd Ira "Ir;
Lat 0 Nlltary [er: Nunctlon 40 chJof 0f: etaff 29 long; #J &0 _llltary' actIon
agaInat Caatro cortinuos, but thon tho CIvfl' actlon guat' bo currIcd out
by non-_ JlItary cen,"
Ho added tllat durke; tbo gortenfnt-up action agalnet Castr, L0
r uat tk0 gooc care of the ranrcr in wlich th: actlon {g" tsken t0 avcfd
oxrosIng; tho 0,S, su7*ort} &nj thut he congfdered that tke collateral,
Incependent &rcua waro not #4feguard Int' 1t; a0 w 9}ta Iuolss' tk0 rov
'9 you (U.: Alenclon) debl uIth Obch; 6f" zhoa0 Crou: 8, Al :: L0 Kugt Not
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I bold r, YIco that I acxloug to Yotk but 005.0 rannar 6f MnhLe
thobo grolpb VJep iT' KIro an tto CounoHl , vIttout tevfng to channol
dLrection and fic' through Dr. Klro, e8nco +obo BtoLPO Uro nov funcetor
50ll upcer sxLoting arrangeronte.
Dr , Yiro 0, Jd bo %ould ko cleaged to ,eet VIt thoc ouleJdo of tho
CounoI] and]Lkoy_Bay contInuo + (unctlon 49 Collatcral orianIzat_ono
Indoperdantly; but uat real IL0 tha t Xhv0 ono; dJrcctlon. Dr ,
YLro adr'ed tet ZIke tho Ierardaat FagIatrates #Iti ehejr #ttItudo
abey . ato snJw*e tre Counotl.
Dr , Xfro catanted that be banted the rzIotretee to have 03 Olectlon
and Belect ttofr leacer eccordIng to tho regwlt9 of @ pote He raltaratee
that 0}1 tbo ccileeral organiea€ Long Y uat Oare @ uIthln tho Orblt Uf tr
CouncJl} and tat te voxald b glad to dlocuse vth thec trelr OpInlong
Just 40 to 00 8 profeeeor had &ore WIth stucerto_ often tiren rojultlng
mn oxcellent Laa |nd Vlowpolnts,
Ton I Kelt"crad thwt I hud read In ona o2 oar pagagInoo a lwstor
Itom dOBCTIbLsz %43 dokonatrated depabllItIee 48 8 bedltor botroed
FolltIcal ETp' ad IndIvldudla.
Dr. MIro #ga*0 returned to hlo bellef ttuat Tundb 0f ell organlzatlora
phould furtel tarcreh the Counofl bacaubo ever7 Cuban Kaj 0 Bone9 OE Mall
that Incldoo %% t0 8o wore ko knove ue #odoy Is dlgpenoed} that thla L
Bad but truo} er ehat thodo Mt1o ar0 0t4ll oueado &pd hopo t dlrect
Bupport,/etr7 cav tnat ex Eozer M9 here (fn 6lo bando), vould COBO
rudnkax Vlttovt wztng. Ae thon 9d that ke hed poven hundrod dollero,
bore Or 1oo8, zar each oreanlxa€Jon'0 operattnz 6xpencb: He conoludod
by mylng that t dicu't uieh t oporato vIthout VI (Agenoy ) or VIthout
ony 02 the ^venc7 mo3lo, but groly doaLred t pull tcgetber tho dIvote
groupo and otar act'vItiod.
Ho tren referred t hlo contoreationa uItb Yr, Borlo and Gonoral
Taylor, ard ELo #iBv 0xfst?ededto] thon tha t In ta AprIl @ffalr ho felt
that tw Agerc] 822 functloned Dre Or Joeg efrectlvely srotireo
tholsr pooplo bac toon "sough or "tough" bure tbat %0 tad mo oorpla Lnt;
tnat tro lck 0? 6& Covet no doubt calbed de feat. Khen ho had baon
quarr_od bJ N8-O:er} end othsr On specifIc GubtLcco deelgned b PrY
Bacreta Out 0} to had replfod , "% dfdn' 300 teE , or 0LLIllar
evaalode, apd eun had ondeavored to bo loyal 6 L9j
Ho DId bIs 01 hed bcon Cortalo that hfo fatror would b #Ith tha
emedlt1onar7 {orce, &nd, Jp routa to tho o2 P*80 foc: Guatorala
tho Jon bad Boarcbodfor hlr On &o boato, and Yad dis_lluoeJocad bacaubd
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Acaln ho ophasIsod hfo VJov lhat the otu 'ont0 sont tu LutIn MorIcan
couat-jo? op] Fropacanda EldoIond ahould to LndoctrInated by]_coplo Wn tko Coucf} t0 Proar) t503 for eho Crodo ex Jnlng tkat could uadergo,
and Ubroby propur) thoe ag0Inot eroro and foolfeh otator tnte} and to
Injuro Chae Do Baeluta ooporlero Sr don € Out, He or phazl*d that Or) O5,lbo fLret quebtiona e8ka4 of eredopropasanda 0E:Idbu5Jos vould 80 OIta sst FOrey do you Cord hore7" "hat Yankeo ortanlea €ton J0 bohfrd
Yo1+ Ho added, "Tho moonlo havo t b0 4ll propercd 6 anjwor} Juse 40 I baz t0 underso 4 Jijocogjjon o[ Dona tru€ quo:ttIona whon 1 firat vont
Into exxIlo In Arrntlne 4mlcould aaler U0r VIthout. heglttion tecuwga
O5 GJean radord, 0
Avumn ho_Carco tuack t hfo urGent that tha collatoral orkanlzatIono
ehould Amotlon throush t.0 Council not aforcotting thc Aconcy , tut not
bajns {Orvotton by the Arency I told Dr _ Mlro twt I hopad durina tho
Cou*a of the veek t bave 0 aarlog of convarsa tJong s the Cou8o of
Msaa cortafn docJelong und colutLono vould ta reeched that vould onablo
10 to sIt VIth Nfo the follovlng #oek and cork out Doc 0 detallo on
pronaarcia anu oeher rattero:
Sr. Hlro thon 4gkod _ "Kov bebt can te occurIty 0 thds ntJon ba
Lnnred the Aconov doal _ Jtroctly Yieh theee pcoplo or vorklng ~Ith
thez trrough KIso7" Alid bo OEphabIzed that ho ~ag concernad toth vIth
ghe securlty of Cuba and of tre {hltod States, and that ,thobe pooplo
(Cubans uIth wbor; t ho Atorc Ie dealinc dtrectly) #t any Rcbont bhan
thes %elt they Mn loolne out 0r Koro not wufficlontly pald sould
80k for roro, ant, bo_ Gutang clght to very ` Ind Igeroto; but that Ic
they tad to deal VIth }ro Lbey pould ta obllgated to Bo t +lo VIth
theJr corplalnte. He paJd ttst Juat 00 0 bou geklng Oloots wIli &0 M
any]Source, bul 1f thoxv L0 crly One Jourco It Vll1 go to that one} apd
that ehus all 670unv8 4 ubt Jooh 1 tho Couno.l,
Asal Dr. Kiro mturnedto Kle thoule thct BoOnT or lulor tharo Fuat
6o Lr to ovorthrov Cugtro, ane lhet Cuterg and Aroricans rubt roalIeo
thIe; ttat 08 6 PrO] LaInury tho Cubena cugt carry Out_eabotare _ otc.,
but Just 49 blockadoo d.dn'+ ovcrthrov Franc? or Kuseo]inf,
roith; "'ould
ca44a tht {al of Cagtroy" Duthur that If 0u borage va2 csnlucted #Ieb-
out | 0 part of an uvcra} 1 Plan 0f cloblons, tjo pooplo Ineldo Cuba
suld CosA t react adlvcrzoly 1 the Bubolase endelsen theraolvev uth
Castro,
B tbon exprejord hfo vlev that tjea Is telng edly vaated In tryIng
+ NIac'Uno Latsn Acercen coutrIed Inbo acreecont VIth Lho U,S, agaLnat
Castr becaugo, un:ortunstely, ElY are rled br dlctatoro and ttey Ioat
concortod actlon Aralnat ther se lvee, but Ac the W.S, attckd and deetroye
Cestov KIll eoplaudJ A/a Jo ro repoated tnst the Pudta d6l Eblo
a6rotront @Xght woll Caum Ea5v oounerL0g W Day , FThank you FJdol, apd
not,' ghank Jou Yr . Konnody,'
E. HlIo Obpptableod tnat he wanted to collaborato uJth uo ^Wly. Ito
tho eidnoroatIOA twrmed +0 to dIubolutton of ux FRD by Varora, ad Dr:
Plro dclard that ehjb ld Mj difficult for-Varona, t lk tocaus m
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hd tAon ICd okoef a Ln 0 #feh 0obl €Ion, and had thuo oubr:] eted 1 tko
Como4l, He doclored hle 0b o0c: [or Varonvi , 0 Fory' Lruagl ban bul Vorj
NEa#l, Ha bel: Varona had doc]arod #Ich Tobnoce W tho arcontino
docitoblb ehnt, "They 0ro Ip MIanl, I don'0 fool ILke aonding 6
Arvontina bacaudo @hoy don't kolong to ArgentImi , tolong 6 Who
e.lf;uat 1e Cabero, Areontana had CInlaratlo rolotlond WICh Cuba and
4f I€ foolo ILo It, vLlI Bopd tio doouento t Cuba, Vurona doclared
1 ta 9IP eat U1e Artentln Illeary ren hud decofvod hfm bocaum
1 havlov a*ld that troy ddn' t trust thc aracntIne Forofen Oifleo
Revorlholo3g took to ,rvontlno tho throe doou ontg l}uit vero FIvea +
tdi: 4v: W7n urrival lurmod timt ovor Lo tlso Porolen OrfIcw, Ysro
eddsd tkat Vhronn otitud V J0 clonrly In thc 81P noqtloc: core Bvo
Areectire doloratsa Voro nrotonbo "hey 041d, 0, It}out ronl ionJnp nai 90 Dct, Go you daclaro 61 40 Leforc tha 9IPP?" 1 dacluro 10" to roplled, "um Bi;ut 4p'
Ksro e d0d that Varonm had deolared laot nIphl "Lot]thon geIvo W
057 9 1 [Inoh %Ff wlth Caatro, Iat 6Iv4 thher: t Lo}; Hhoovur tas
eIve Ure: & uol Dr = Kro thon doolared , "o 010 wIlIIng to RIsoc bark,
but hora 4 Pra Jujt olay In;: Sle ard A0e} , 9
Ylso tkan rofortol to hIs vlaw lhat Wbarlo Uo lao Aor_cnb
sbotela r0z0 Ivo 6 clJ guboldy ; thet 0310tJor0 It Dub] Iaod articlos
enfuvorabln t tha I,. ht tbct] uovally , 45d Jt dubbloilzed, vould elieinato
advatt0 {trs,
Tt:on I roturt.ud to tla aubjac6 09 tho blel;c : wnd Concern net 83 0 on le Cawcll nayroll Alcht aloo ba on H,E.k peyroll. Flo rep llorl thet tor
Octolor k volald hava thor Blmbr tha t Ler0 rocg Jvlng no atticr L /sioy
AL/ rerfrkae thot re/8y ara nn tho ~oYTcll, Ha erWert tad tro ifferent
sctIcng 1 dcloratlons in Latln #erIcan counttdu9, 'doci porfun (Lwo Ur ecsuo Et Tobl In cach coutry ) raco Ivcd only 'Or.Ough tu Ifvu crf WIthout
OpbTe Eick {unca, Ila g4 Jd BaCi, chJc{ of orga:LzatJon Jn tho Cou ofl receJvod
8LIO , PstSch J8 vary IIttle,
Ho aed tret dur b;e: Trot oth vith Lundq koft ovor,: had Jec &
to Yczsco 93,.) btonuso 9o: 0 21: D0on}e tuul orrIved} ilhore [n naed and
twiarJ . He e Id C,I,a, 0Iced VIth &S,00 en:t ho fuc acnt 83 Iocnum
Vero Cuiara. ntror, uhat re had ( rovlde ! Quch' or;;nfeallon Vt 67C0
fur 'l 0sonji cf 4Iltn,, offic 0, Cur , clcb, tut tm Yu:j't 8 {Lad 0i7 He adicd Uie€ Vta L:Vbr Vl0 Jert oter %c eod to 80:d wu Ceta
4.086 Mo To flet:tlne trero,
Ba caclared "Ab for 0 c4r roduco tha tu'gt to the k Jnfelm
provfeed ta: tey J6#d Dss to cube} tut ?} ,robler 0 rust te rreolred _
Th4 [aroll Ya3 ror [ged to Ee Moc 1 Lob 7ee0 pre0 [iorL or tho' Cou.01l,
ad 1 dldr'€ crDta It."
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"urrloc ataut the omansoo Of +ls rrrullrcrt aceJon, #nc ho pe Jd
#ay]tol Paul 1 0lIsJent Uwae Jt J8260 rcrullsne Jo nov dcno 010o-
47, Pul tb ,Illrz [Fternna] Jn ra-4{64a: ahould lo_Rrou:rod Jn e0
TJc5 D0 Uet Bco Ioru 6fLntclllaene #&prcz_couly bu balntsLnod
RNvaeb Infon0600,
Mo aEficoc @at hlb Flllbr Ia:r ~ally Cunalelod 00" lhrcc offIcor
{Tarole _ Wr-#lge Pontaerwlo) cut Ltet Fad exronpon of offIco,
LracsorlatIon , Ll: Bucre MrJa] heJn, A? Is Socl) Kolturc malton,
3fdetln t; teen cglblLohad b 01 4x Laj nacpb83ry (or _Jo;'9lte-
Teleinoe, &t2. for Outan rt: (&7c} *:D,
Ba dckrtu U.at ho natla't touchee' 47 vr to extot 0a (LntorIted
^e #(W) 0zc* ObrsuLLni}_exande/ , Jo -nis? + Elve hJo 0 Furuin o
4tb , Waot '*Grdteon] Urvbuil Cx;*n382.
Ho mld, 6[ bl +bula to OlJefnatc # (Fat could] to 0lbsInated)
0 eurally he wmlc }vo t cogOult UIC; >ru. (lzeney )
Hola Livo & erc Iavel pectfr he 38:4 :" flannod t elfsIneto ltelr
8171dd allover co bit '9t eho j:cticn 1ts.{, twrsura he duo: 0 1t 0ouunllul
f7 Fattor: Duck: 00 eeud Ing M0T 0 lo Clm, 9 oaritot tu Bnt by
'i at' eha % Q GEPIce Je nect: aanr 47 Etc Put #olr{ex;enaoj Eusl ba
66 ofr aloulz.
A0 rr tto Yedicnl Sectlor WJch iw# xa8r' crcetod broru 0 &atd
~ Bvo Heutlisrog" (cagualt:ca) re? 66: U:96 Wwv jjoct Jun Yhd to to
aEuead , Ho re [tcratd tat #wm sc* !:73 Axt} toon |crentod Y; W
(4pere ) urd re & could unly k4 e4nral cracuully:
He arfIre4 tat thoro 23 Jeft Tos 6.9 439 Qnily BoE4 olovan or
86 w tuuourd doilar: for ;#ttor 28 #ttera'orce At tho SIP tnd
{onh arruIra, arv; Buct; c{ocr Zrop:ser.: 4raurs, but ttwt ho folt
N sould have re# rreti to Kk: t:0 Iwl.i> :m eroabtruida | (Lhat herl boan
6 3)chrousts 1 '#stre) ,
J aa8urec 6* thut It Yaa corlfnly Brdej lbt Vina Pronvhada
xrrladlun 06 fxEetIon undor *%, h9 : 734can # wciIcn 38 ue Corrcll
L; &+ Ir f0btra 70 Cuv CC: $ldcruc ( Y X0 c,Jo? , Ubet ta st:ould
ds cats M #ote clob. Fe Gk cxarec e} 2J 84 In {#ew Yori, kld
Mun Co Varr: j60tentay, erc #mkcc Jan7s setc #tuule' to %mLch
Trja To" Jca, "2aseM,"
Lo tt.6}. 814 %6 sould 11ke t) P€ 6v& 4"UcTu Jn 48 head. 00
~nYuceuida & u.6 € Conto scud cot #Frf ~e9j ~& lald hb toa Iro
3e8ive4 Lhet Eie ota:p #t Ic: Kobtro kx: 3 Yorj F0l Jtut {hat } ebtra
I} 0 ;od tec jo be bintec' to oDer:c : ~e0 dA)' # JVicc Ing poolb
9 rutlerod 6{ re: @el Corto, F6rln Fosz-, ~ulv: farb Kubaud. Ko
01< *e-l dol Carr? voulj Lo 0 gec ~!c? Ion~6J' tut Lhut for
8J P0 sculd 0Jgo }Ake a gcod] ucvIser su= 2 Carslo, 6o roally 19 *o
6 ox.Drt telk, }ut vould 11ko 8 8 =5 JJ@oae, Maro e1d
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Hwbarto Medrumo; roportir, ldo vould i0 t dfrcel prtpneande:
ofIOrtBo Ilo acldod ust }eblro, chlaf of brOlmg"na Tor 'tho 7ii , #Ioh Do
Jonec[ oxIste, Jo]tho On 4.o conbjnwa0 rocaJvin; - tho prorefbi.ta fudo
froe Poul, Hc dclared unt ho (MIro) dJdn't control thodo [wd1} that
to didn't havo anythIni arcepe bujorworacy+
T told ir that 1 cet.oIeared thlg prublor' Qf propegat:da Dn:tico and
It0 o brnlorj Dhoula} 10 ~rri ctnd rict:l avuy Ilte mdded twt La '61t that
Radln Jvon_nkoltlel 1o "t ujer the {Tofvii?s diu actlon 0f lio Ceurcll)
forvere thnt tho OrupaVAL.# gclJen fud lv qult Qu:ding print. ratior
1 tq
Lun
Norican c',un erion ana] Jtbb:eel uord a (liu..tt WJ isbc. Coutry
09 ex& could It printed troro Vitb etto tn;j Ileod In oact counlryf
In Acceblle,' In Arconti,a etylo, In bruzIl, In ('ortucwopo $ Jo
Parjr8, 'n thle L aunor *[ cxuk In rafiur a f that Juch "ropbftcn ruot
to :id fr, He #fflrred_ tko t luborto Kudrano Ya 4 |ruu € ro;orttr and
nard 'rrkor ar Ouuld tllo e6,f0 velli that Putr In Polnudo Vr0 0 {Jda
orkor Wio Jwv Jo Ywplnc: 0 strigela l 1Ivo, but Yorka Woll at gropaganda
Fatrarb,
Again /sutu thnt
1ho )propararin ] [unda ehould pass trou: Klo
control, and thnt I to7o eho thlo WQ Ul,On *y mtir 6 taabInetona
Am: n ho doclared thel ke Telt nlans r Ubt 10 #do ror Inle emd tt;o Counall +
rotlirti 10 Cuba, I a1d #b V4g 4 MAteer for tho Nuture.
#e trrcImted olr Edelen;: wIth Bv ato to-ont ebat J€ Yould protably
no: ta +1ll tio follovbg #obk vbon I VoWl retlr t Kler l, afebr
retesng cattora regolved Ln #6ehIngton, Ile Ju Id that ho vould probebly
W retira:n}; t0 Mlan[ on becnesduy aftbr the Froda lunohoad
I edded that 1f It morod doblrablo for #b: to ConO to IibBf;[pelor:
05 Toulo to Hleel, I souli @u hle| tbut uthoruljo I vould lcok foruard
b @94n8 he 'Jn Mlect . I Be Ld AI felt +0 had coverod 0 lot 0f {round,
and thanked hlm for glv*nz B9 00 much of r lo tJua Our Eooting .
Agafn he reltoratod llet bo detlres resnoreIblllty Lor 4l1 Itouda
er;] 4a + 1f ho Msn't cOr0fdercd to be Lho richt ono, Uitt he Veb Tebdy
ard #Illlng to TuoJem . Io tl9, Vo {InLahed and 1 excortud hk: t tho
olevetcr of tho hotal,
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